Featured Heliocentricity: Behind the Times

Good luck.

 

But relativity isn't a grand unified theory of everything.

Name a scientist and the source he claims produces the effect.

 

Let's take a look at this: if the earth were at rest, the entire universe would have to be spinning around it. Sounds plausible. Until we look at the speed.

Objects on the earth's surface are traveling at 1040mph. To keep it simple, we'll round down to 1000mph. This is 4000 miles from the earth's center. As you (hopefully) know, every time you double the distance in a spinning object, you double the speed. In other words, of something is geostationary at an altitude of 4000 miles, it has to be traveling at 2000mph.

To maintain the illusion that the earth is spinning, the sun would have to travel at 23.25 million miles per hour. Now, this is only 3.4% the speed of light, so no problem so far. Pluto, on the other hand, is 4.67 billion miles away. Where we get the problem is that it would have to travel at 1.16 billion miles per hour, or 184% of the speed of light. Then, you'd have to account for the fact that relative to us, its speed is sometimes slower and sometimes faster.

Now, those speeds of almost twice the speed of light would occur only within our galaxy. Further out and the speeds necessary would increase exponentially. Andromeda, our closest galaxy, is 2.5 million light years away. One light year is 6x10^12 miles. So, we're looking at Andromeda being 15,000,000,000,000 miles away, traveling at a speed of 37.5X10^11 miles per hour. That's almost 6,000 times the speed of light. And that's the closest galaxy to us.

I think you can see how things get even more complicated from there.

 

Rob: Still waiting for name.

Aaron: "Scientists say..."

Nobody is arguing about the math relative to perspective. But if my car traveling at 50mph on a resting earth is mathematically equal to my car remaining at rest while the earth moves underneath it at 50mph, I don't assume that my car has enough horsepower to move the planet.

The question is: What force would be causing this phenomenon other than the earth's rotation? You mentioned the moon, tides, the gravity of foreign objects. What scientist says that any of those things is the cause?

 

Ok, I'm at my computer and finally able to put together a good post. The rest of the time I was on my tablet.

Aaron, I am not arguing Einstein and Hawking. I'm arguing your interpretation of them. Similar to when two people use the Bible to argue their points; no one argues what the Bible is saying, they are arguing over who has the interpretation correct. That's why I urged you before to read them in context and figure out what they were talking about.

When used as a simple coordinate system, yes either model can be used. And this is what they were saying. Geocentricity is valid as a coordinate system. However, when you bring in other things, it is no longer valid. As has been demonstrated, even just the launching of an artillery shell over miles will be affected by the turning of the earth. When we want to send a probe to Mars, geocentricity is no longer valid. We have to make our calculations based upon the sun.

Ironically, our calculations are based upon the sun being the center of the universe when in reality, this is probably not true. It could be, but it's not likely. But since we are not calculating anything beyond our solar system (for flight purposes) the model of the sun at the center of the universe works. If we ever get to explore outside our system (which won't be possible without greater than light speeds) then we'll have to design a new calculation system.

So, again, I am not arguing that as a coordinate system geocentricity is not valid. After all, I say "the sun rises in the east". I don't say, "the rotation of the earth causes the sun to be seen in the east in the morning".

Now, I can't help but notice that you use relativity to bolster your claims on geocentricity. While you're technically right, you're wrong. Using relativity (and this is what Einstein was saying) any point in the universe that we can imagine can become the center for a coordinate system. I could say that my house is the center of the universe, and I'd be correct. No one could prove me wrong.

But again, that's only for a coordinate system. For other calculations, we have to assume that the earth is rotating around the sun.

 

I haven't read the rest of the thread, but I just want to point out that centrifugal force does not exist. It is simply inertia misunderstood.

 

Also, nothing can (following this model), travel faster than the speed of light. Everything breaks when you consider going past the speed of light.

See this equation, which is modeling how distance is distorted as you approach the speed of light.

L = L_0*(sqrt(1-v^2/c^2))

It's called the lorenze transform, and it explains how the distance between objects at the speed of light approaches zero


c = speed of light

v = your velocity, as you approach the speed of light

L = distance