Heliocentricity: What's It Good For?

[Aaron]

I don't doubt heliocentricity, but dang if I can think of any really useful thing here on earth that depends upon that view for its existence: e.g. Polio vaccines, the MRI, electric toasters, hydraulic brakes, etc.

 

[HAMel]

Well, it does put our Lord's handiwork on display not to mention it's usefulness for a thread topic, no? Whistling

 

[InTheLight]

Heliocentricity is not a "view", it is a fact.

Knowing about it is the basis for anything to do with satellites. Cell phones, 24 hour TV news, GPS, defense of the US, weather forecasting, etc.

Useless stuff like that.

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[agedman]

Do we have an astrology forum, or is that astronomy? I can never remember which is which?

Is there such a thing as an astronomistic astrologist or a astrologistic astronomist?

 

[MichelleVL]

When Copernicus replaced the geocentric theory with his heliocentric theory there were many changes in the course of history thanks to his views. For one, thanks to his calculations the existing calendar at the time was changed to the one we currently use today. Most of the changes where religious and cultural. In a way thanks to his fight and that of men like Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler etc. science would eventually be accepted as a branch all together separate from the Roman Catholic Church. Back in the day if the Catholic Church felt that your views were in some way opposed to theirs, they would label you a heretic and you would be put to death. I'm glad that's over.

 

[Aaron]

When Copernicus replaced the geocentric theory with his heliocentric theory there were many changes in the course of history thanks to his views. For one, thanks to his calculations the existing calendar at the time was changed to the one we currently use today. Most of the changes where religious and cultural. In a way thanks to his fight and that of men like Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler etc. science would eventually be accepted as a branch all together separate from the Roman Catholic Church. Back in the day if the Catholic Church felt that your views were in some way opposed to theirs, they would label you a heretic and you would be put to death. I'm glad that's over.

http://www.britannica.com/biography/Aristarchus-of-Samos

And Galileo was opposed by the secular, Aristotelian scientific community more so than the Church which accepted the Aristotelian conclusions much as it has Darwinism today.

 

[Aaron]

Heliocentricity is not a "view", it is a fact.

Well, unless you've made the observations yourself, you don't know it as a fact, you merely accept it as a fact.

But knowledge of that fact isn't really necessary in the development of any of the technology you cited. How does knowing the earth is tilted on its axis and revolves around the sun a prerequisite for making diodes and transistors or anything that is really useful?

 

[InTheLight]

Well, unless you've made the observations yourself, you don't know it as a fact, you merely accept it as a fact.

Oh boy. If personal observation is the standard for fact finding we're all a bunch of dullards. Not to mention rendering the Bible as just another book by unknown scribes. After all you didn't actually SEE the Apostle Paul write his epistles, did you?

But knowledge of that fact isn't really necessary in the development of any of the technology you cited. How does knowing the earth is tilted on its axis and revolves around the sun a prerequisite for making diodes and transistors or anything that is really useful?

Without a firm grasp on how orbital dynamics work we would not have artificial satellites.



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[Aaron]

Without a firm grasp on how orbital dynamics work we would not have artificial satellites.

So? It hasn't helped us build them. In fact, all our technology we use here and that has been helpful to us is totally unrelated to the knowledge of the heliocentricity of the solar system. Assuming the sun orbits the earth would not impeded the development of medicine, chemistry, or airplanes nor American liberty.

As far as any real benefit to mankind, it seems the knowledge of heliocentricity is useless.

 

[InTheLight]

So? It hasn't helped us build them. In fact, all our technology we use here and that has been helpful to us is totally unrelated to the knowledge of the heliocentricity of the solar system. Assuming the sun orbits the earth would not impeded the development of medicine, chemistry, or airplanes nor American liberty.

As far as any real benefit to mankind, it seems the knowledge of heliocentricity is useless.

You list things that do not involve satellites. I see you totally ignore my point about the benefits that satellite technology brings us.

Hey, I know, why don't we make a list of all the things that heliocentricity has got nothing to do with? How about that?

Cotton Gin
Steam Engine
Pattern lathe
Steamboat
Cast-Iron Piano Frame
Spinning Machine
Screw Propeller
Mechanical Reaper
Power loom
Revolver with Interchangeable Parts
Vulcanization of Rubber
Telegraph
Sewing Machine
Suspension Bridge
Process for condensing milk
Electric fire alarm system
Iron Truss Bridge
Plows
Dynamite
Elevator Brake
Pasteurization
Steam Generator
Stock ticker
Modern day fire hydrant
Celluloid
Pullman car
Door lock
Telephone
Telegraphy
Alternating Current
Arc lamp for street lighting
Signal flares used by ships
Barbed wire
Direct current dynamo

Please, carry on...

 

[Rob_BW]

Isn't truth always useful?

 

[Aaron]

You list things that do not involve satellites. I see you totally ignore my point about the benefits that satellite technology brings us.

It's because I disagree with it. Even primitives know the moon goes around the earth. We can take our cues from the earth's natural satelite.

Hey, I know, why don't we make a list of all the things that heliocentricity has got nothing to do with? How about that?

Cotton Gin
Steam Engine
Pattern lathe
Steamboat
Cast-Iron Piano Frame
Spinning Machine
Screw Propeller
Mechanical Reaper
Power loom
Revolver with Interchangeable Parts
Vulcanization of Rubber
Telegraph
Sewing Machine
Suspension Bridge
Process for condensing milk
Electric fire alarm system
Iron Truss Bridge
Plows
Dynamite
Elevator Brake
Pasteurization
Steam Generator
Stock ticker
Modern day fire hydrant
Celluloid
Pullman car
Door lock
Telephone
Telegraphy
Alternating Current
Arc lamp for street lighting
Signal flares used by ships
Barbed wire
Direct current dynamo

Please, carry on...

That's my point. It has nothing to do with the things that are really useful for our lives.

 

[Aaron]

Isn't truth always useful?

Jesus is the Truth. How did He speak of the sun?

". . . for [your Father] maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good . . ."​

 

[preachinjesus]

One could reasonably point to celestial navigation as a benefit of heliocentricity.

 

[agedman]

One could reasonably point to celestial navigation as a benefit of heliocentricity.

Without which we would all be "lost in space."

There are those who point to the progress of the celestial across the sky as proof of the plan of God. I never have gotten into that because I am not learned in the patterns nor how to distinguish such among all the stars.

 

[InTheLight]

Jesus is the Truth. How did He speak of the sun?

". . . for [your Father] maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good . . ."​

By quoting this verse are you saying you believe the sun rotates around the earth?

 

[agedman]

Has anyone projected the movement of the sun in such a way to show that not only the earth rotates around the sun but the sun will in time rotate around the planets?

 

[Aaron]

One could reasonably point to celestial navigation as a benefit of heliocentricity.

One can believe in geocentricity and navigate well, as did the Vikings, Romans, and Greeks.

 

[Aaron]

By quoting this verse are you saying you believe the sun rotates around the earth?

No.

What did Christ think?

 

[Aaron]

What if we discovered that Paul's cosmology were geocentric (and it likely was)?