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Help me to clear my mind.

percho

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Yes, God created man as a living soul, in his INVISIBLE image just as the soul of man is invisible, but constitutes the moral and rational character of God or God made man "upright" able to rule over this world as God rules over creation.





In other words did God decree sin and redemption prior to creating Adam, and thus created Adam in order to carry out those decrees.

God is holy and holiness never can look on sin with approval. The existence of sin in this world is by way of necessary permission inseparable from the act of creating free will. The decree to create the exercise of Free will is impossible without also decreeing permission to sin as part of that freedom of exercise. However, in decreeing permission to sin also is the decree to be personally responsible for choice in that area of exercise.

So God decreed permission to sin with full responsibility for sinning. Sovereignty and responsible choice is seen in the death of Christ:

Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: - Acts 2:23

God sovereingly determined the death of Christ but without personal culpability, as he determined it through permitting (rather than restraining - Psa. 76:10) the natural enmity of fallen man to responsibly choose to kill him.

So the answer is No! God's motives were pure behind his decrees but His decrees were proactive in determining beforehand that sin and Satan would not overrule His good designs but would only promote the greater good.




- Genesis 1:26-28 tell you why





Because God determined that sin and Satan would not destroy His Good intent but would only further it to a greater level in the final analysis.


See emboldened and underlined and bear in mind. God created the world = Rom 8:20 NKJV For the creation was subjected to futility, -----

What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. Hebrews 2:7,8

But now we see not yet all things put under him.

Written some time after the resurrection of Jesus the Christ the Son of God, the seed of Abraham and David.

What man, in the image of what man, will see all things put under him?

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone. Hebrews 1:1-5 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For to which of the angels did He ever say:

“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again:

“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?

Is that speaking of the seed of Abraham and David, the Son of God who had been made a little lower than the angels and by resurrection, declared the Son of God, higher than the angels, with power Rom 1:3,4?

Was it the first man Adam who was going to inherit all things, have all things put under him, that through him we also would have all things put under us; Or was it the last Adam, the seed of Abraham, the son of David, the Son of God, the sinless one, who would give his life and would be raised from the dead to inherit all things, that we being made also in his image would have all things put under us, man?

Would it be through the first man Adam that the death would come upon all, in order that the Last Adam could taste that death, taste in that he has been raised from the death and now all others who have died the death can be raised from the death in their own order?
 

percho

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Again, 'I'm of the opinion' the sin of the devil was first realized with the temptation of Eve. He intentionally cast a stumbling block out there so that the 'new comers' to the garden would incur the wrath of God.

13 Thou wast in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, the topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was in thee; in the day that thou wast created they were prepared.
14 Thou wast the anointed cherub that covereth: and I set thee, so that thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till unrighteousness was found in thee. Ezek 28


Give me your thoughts concerning verse 14 above.

What was he anointed as?
What did he cover?
What was he set over?
What was the holy mountain of God?

I think a verse that might help is Hebrews 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.

Who is this present world in subjection to? Who was Adam subjected to?

Why will the world to come not be put in subjection to the angels? Who will it be put in subjection? The resurrected Jesus, the firstborn and his many brethren?
 
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