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Help me understand calvinism.

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Gorship

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This doesn't seem to bother how I interpret that passage at all.

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Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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Gorship said:
"I disagree with how you're interpreting that passage, this is what I think" but you don't you act as if you are better then everyone else. Which you are not.
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I don't think I am better. Never once have I said that.

Gorship said:
I highly doubt you would speak to anyone like that. Ever. In person.
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I would say the same things to you in a face to face debate.

Gorship said:
You're also rude to others in this board who simply disagree with you. You dont talk to people with respect you simply throw out generalizations and act like some tough bully behind a keyboard.
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There is a difference between rude and blunt. And no, I don't respect laziness and a refusal to actually engage and people who personally attack me.
 
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Gorship

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You attack more then others but anyway

Im unable to remove the post - and I agree that sending a screen of the PM was bad form - I apologize.
 
Reformed1689

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Gorship

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Well Dave I agree it was a stupid and foolish thing to do. Not much I can do from here. I have messaged a mod.

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Iconoclast

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Gorship said:
It appears we have differing definitions yes.

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G,
IN ROMANS8:29....we repeat this all the time-
It says...Whom....he did foreknow.....that is God knew them in an intimate way...He knew they were rebellious sinners,and yet He chooses to set His eternal Love on a multitude of them.

The text does not say...What He did Fore know ahead of time, such as the actions of these sinners..
It says Whom...not what...look at it, read the text out loud if need be...it says Whom, not what.
You are describing it as what.
 
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Gorship

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Iconoclast said:
G,
IN ROMANS8:29....we repeat this all the time-
It says...Whom....he did foreknow.....that is God knew them in an intimate way...He knew they were rebellious sinners,and yet He chooses to set His eternal Love on a multitude of them.

The text does not say...What He did Fore know ahead of time, such as the actions of these sinners..
It says Whom...not what...look at it, read the text out loud if need be...it says Whom, not what.
You are describing it as what.
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By definition it reads to me that God simply forknew you assume it is this intimate knowledge, I assume it's the acceptance of faith.

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Gorship

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I like Wesley's notes on this. At least I'm not alone ha

Verse 29

[29] For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Whom he foreknew, he also predestinated conformable to the image of his Son — Here the apostle declares who those are whom he foreknew and predestinated to glory; namely, those who are conformable to the image of his Son. This is the mark of those who are foreknown and will be glorified, 2 Timothy 2:19. Philippians 3:10,21.



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Reformed1689

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Gorship said:
What would you suggest. I use kjv and NKJV primarily.

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This may help Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

However, even in Strongs (I just looked it up) it says it can be used to talk about predestinating, to choose. But if you look at the usage it is talking about making a choice, it is not talking about knowing beforehand. That is certainly a use for the word, but not in this context.
 
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Iconoclast

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Gorship said:
By definition it reads to me that God simply forknew you assume it is this intimate knowledge, I assume it's the acceptance of faith.

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I do not assume, we take the biblical usage...observe;
Gen 3...God gives Adam his wife op Eve.
Gen4:1..Adam KNEW Eve his wife...she conceived.

Notice, Adam has known who she is since Gen3

Gen4:17- Cain knew his wife..and she conceived.

Gen4:25...Adam knew his wife again and she bare a son.

Do you see it?
 
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Gorship

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I see different uses of the word knew.

Your not inferring God knows me as Adam knows Eve? Ick.

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Iconoclast

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Gorship,
You said help me understand calvinism.
I believe Reformed and zdavid have given you answers trying to help you understand at least the basis for understanding this scriptural teaching.
Can I suggest something without being a wise guy?
Try and list the answers given, the 1689 confession, and read it to see what it actually says.
Read our posts,list what we said on a legal pad, or notebook so you can see the verses offered and the concepts introduced.
Learn what we say accurately. Then if you have more questions ask them. Then if you want to resist go for it.
We cannot enable you to believe, that is between you and God.
That is why Reformed answered and backed out. David and I are offering more ideas to consider...what I am saying is take a breath, take a good look.
It will change how you are reading our posts from what are you insinuating, to I see what you are saying ,let me consider it.
 
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