Here is a Bible Version we can do without!

[william s. correa]

Originally posted by Rev. Lowery:
OK heres my question if we dont have a complete 100% absolute Word of God then what do you have 99% of Gods Word ? 99% of God is not 100% God, which is the only God I know. 100% God, all God all the time. If we say we dont have 100% Gods word we are absolutely 100% calling God a liar.
Its either all or none. I dont serve a God of error and fallibility. If you do then you are not serving the True God your serving a God of your own creation just as all MV's do. They serve there own purpose's and not that of Gods.

I will proudly say that the KJV 1611 is Gods 100% inerrant word perfect and without flaw.

Why? Because my God never makes mistakes period.

Amen Brother Preach it!

 

[rbell]

Originally posted by Rev. Lowery:
OK heres my question if we dont have a complete 100% absolute Word of God then what do you have 99% of Gods Word ? 99% of God is not 100% God, which is the only God I know. 100% God, all God all the time. If we say we dont have 100% Gods word we are absolutely 100% calling God a liar.
Its either all or none. I dont serve a God of error and fallibility. If you do then you are not serving the True God your serving a God of your own creation just as all MV's do. They serve there own purpose's and not that of Gods.

I will proudly say that the KJV 1611 is Gods 100% inerrant word perfect and without flaw.

Why? Because my God never makes mistakes period.

So...do you preach from the apocrypha? That's in the 1611.

 

[Eliyahu]

My defense for KJV is different from yours.

KJV can have errors. Even MT- TR can contain errors.

Compilation, Edition, Translation are the area where Holy Spirit is still working actively.

MT-TR-KJV have proven to be the best and the most Texts and Translation among all the Texts adn Translations, which can be confirmed if anyone devote sufficient time and effort on this issue.

Modern Versions are based on the wrong grounds, modified manuscripts and texts.

This means that KJV was translated by the godly people, based on the right texts, faithful to God.

 

[Ed Edwards]

//MT-TR-KJV have proven to be the best ... //

Please use honest terms, that should be:

MTs-TRs-KJVs have proven to be the best ...

All three of these terms should be the
plural in this context.

 

[Keith M]

Originally posted by Rev. Lowery:
I will proudly say that the KJV 1611 is Gods 100% inerrant word perfect and without flaw.

Why? Because my God never makes mistakes period.

You're absolutely right when you say God doesn't make mistakes, Rev. Lowery. You also need to keep in mind that people do make mistakes, and it was people who translated the KJV and all editions of Scripture since the original autographs - not God.

 

[HankD]

Here are two answers (just as a reminder) to a couple of questions asked here at the BB:

First why so many versions/translations?

Therefore as S. Augustine saith, that variety of Translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures: [S. Aug. 2. de doctr. Christian. cap. 14.] so diversity of signification and sense in the margin, where the text is no so clear, must needs do good, yea, is necessary, as we are persuaded

Which translation can be called the "Word of God"?

we do not deny, nay we affirm and avow, that the very meanest translation of the Bible in English, set forth by men of our profession, (for we have seen none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God.

AN ANSWER TO THE IMPUTATIONS OF OUR ADVERSARIES

From THE TRANSLATORS TO THE READER

Preface to the King James Version 1611

HankD

 

[Deacon]

Originally posted by HankD:
[SNIP]

"we do not deny, nay we affirm and avow, that the very meanest translation of the Bible in English, set forth by men of our profession, (for we have seen none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God.

Preface to the King James Version 1611

That last quote may require a bit of translation itself.
The Oxford English Dictionary has 6 pages devoted to the word “mean”.

In this case the meaning of “meanest” is: common, poor, inferior, poor in quality, of little value.

Rob

 

[HankD]

In this case the meaning of “meanest” is: common, poor, inferior, poor in quality, of little value.

True, but even those they declare to be the Word of God.

HankD

 

[Ransom]

Rev. Lowery said:

OK heres my question if we dont have a complete 100% absolute Word of God then what do you have 99% of Gods Word ?

But we do have the 100% absolute Word of God, notwithstanding the deceptive ravings of KJVers to the contrary.

 

[Rev. Lowery]

Ransom then if the KJV is not 100% Gods word then what is if you say that no Bible we have is free of error then it is not Gods word.

 

[Deacon]

Originally posted by Rev. Lowery:
Ransom then if the KJV is not 100% Gods word then what is if you say that no Bible we have is free of error then it is not Gods word.

Rev, every manuscript we have ever found, from the earliest papyrus to the first type-set book is different in one way or another.

Are none of these God's Word?

Would you say that only one of them is the Word of God?
...which one?
...and if so, who has the authority to decide?

Rob

 

[DesiderioDomini]

Rev. Lowery,

there were several questions asked about your statement. Why did you refuse to answer them?

 

[william s. correa]

Here we have a prime example of People ganging up on a fellow brother to get him to answer what God has already Answered to us in the KJB! Just cause you say that the papyrus is Gods word dosent make it so! He is 100% sure and so am I that the KJB is the Word of God And not 100% sure that th NASB is or NIV or NKJV or RSV or Amplified or Living Bible or TLV, readers digest, gender friedly,and all flawed versions that Man has written and contain the Word here and there but is not all there!

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by Rev. Lowery:
OK heres my question if we dont have a complete 100% absolute Word of God then what do you have 99% of Gods Word ? 99% of God is not 100% God, which is the only God I know. 100% God, all God all the time. If we say we dont have 100% Gods word we are absolutely 100% calling God a liar.
Its either all or none. I dont serve a God of error and fallibility. If you do then you are not serving the True God your serving a God of your own creation just as all MV's do. They serve there own purpose's and not that of Gods.

I will proudly say that the KJV 1611 is Gods 100% inerrant word perfect and without flaw.

Why? Because my God never makes mistakes period.

So you are saying that those who were called Christians before all of scripture was written were calling God a liar? Are you also saying that it was impossible for anyone who did not have a KJV to please God?

There is only one qualification for pleasing God. It is found in Hebrews 11:6, "And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him."

 

[Ransom]

Rev. Lowery said:

Ransom then if the KJV is not 100% Gods word then what is if you say that no Bible we have is free of error then it is not Gods word.

I didn't realize that William's aphasia was contagious. Speak English.

 

[Ransom]

correa said:

Just cause you say that the papyrus is Gods word dosent make it so!

Just because a few fundies on the fringe say that only the KJV is God's Word doesn't make it so. In fact, considering the most vocal advocates of KJV-onlyism on this board, I would be inclined to think quite otherwise.

He is 100% sure and so am I that the KJB is the Word of God And not 100% sure that th NASB is or NIV or NKJV or RSV blah blah blah blah blah

It's not up to you.

 

[william s. correa]

blah blah blah blah blah

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by william s. correa:
He is 100% sure and so am I that the KJB is the Word of God And not 100% sure that th NASB is or NIV or NKJV or RSV or Amplified or Living Bible or TLV, readers digest, gender friedly,and all flawed versions that Man has written and contain the Word here and there but is not all there!

Where does that put the God inspired Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts?

 

[Keith M]

Originally posted by Rev. Lowery:
Ransom then if the KJV is not 100% Gods word then what is if you say that no Bible we have is free of error then it is not Gods word.

Rev. Lowery, you're bordering on blasphemy here, and I don't think you want to go there.

Literal English translations fo God's word are 100% accurate in that they all (KJV, NKJV, NASB, etc.) without error convey the gospel, There is not a single legitimate Bible version that contains any differences in doctrine. It is true that there are small differences in each version. The KJV of 1611 was not perfect as you assert, for then there would have been no need for the changes made between 1611 and 1769. The KJVO myth leads you into circular reasoning - pretty soon you're going to catch your own tail!

The KJV 1611, the KJV 1769, the NKJV, the NASB, the MKJV, the AKJV - none perfect in every word, yet they all completely, accurately and inerrantly convey the word of God to English-speaking people. The belief that the KJV 1611 is the only accurate Bible version limits your faith in God. If you believe God gave us only a single accurate Bible version in English, then you believe God does not have the power to carry His inerrant word through various translations.

If you believe that Psalm 12:6-7 is a promise that God would perfectly preserve His words for all people and you believe that every English Bible version except the 1611 KJV is flawed, then you believe God broke His promise or that He did not have the power to keep the promise you claim He made. (He didn't promise to preserve the words in this passage - look at it in context. God is promising to preserve the oppressed.)

If you believe the 1611 KJV is the only true word of God and if you carry the 1769 KJV, then you do not carry what you claim is the only true word of God - you contradict your own claims.

Rev. Lowery, I pray that you and others who hold to the KJVO myth will soon begin to see that the KJVO myth is made up of errors and contradictions. You have been shown the truth repeatedly - your next step is to accept the truth. The KJVO myth you hold so dearly is not the truth - never was, never will be.

Here, let me help you with some of the Bibles that are the accurate and preserved word of God - ASV, NASB, KJV, NKJV, MKJV, AKJV, KJ21, TMB, ESV. The list goes on. All these versions accurately preserve the word of God. Just because a few words are different doesn't mean the thought has changed. If you say these versions are not the word of God, then you must also include the KJV in the list of versions that are not the word of God. When you falsely claim that God's word is not God's word, then you blaspheme the word of God. Do you really want to go there?

 

[Rev. Lowery]

I will make it clear what I am saying

1. Yes the originals written by the Disciples and all the old testament authors are Gods word 100%.

2. Because we dont have those the TR became the 100% word of God.

3.Because we no long have the complete TR the KJV 1611 is Gods word 100% even when the TR was around it was not in English the KJV is in English which makes in the Word of God.

I dont care how many time someone say "version" and "translation" are the same they are absolutely not. The KJV 1611 is a translation. Everything after it is a version. Sure the newer AV's and MV's are good some are great some are down right abominations. If a "Bible" removes Christ, His Deity, The Father, The Blood, Salvation, Holy Ghost, Hell, Lake of Fire, or any others then it is not The Word of God. You can say, "Oh, But thats OK it doesn't take away from the message as a whole." I am here to tell you it does and your taking away your part in the Kingdom of Heaven if You take away from his Holy Word. People are constantly removing small pieces of the Bible and it started with the NIV now we have "Bible's" that are perversions because we as Christians want make a stand and put a stop to it. People like MV's because they appeal to the flesh and make us feel good about all the junk we know we shouldn't do. More often then not MV's make it OK to fornicate, adulteries, lust, covet, worship other gods, and I dont want any part of it.