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Here Is How Senate Republicans Try To Hide The Damage Of Their Repeal Bill

Crabtownboy

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And yet, McConnell and other GOP'ers claim to work in the interest of the people .... I wonder what people they are thinking about?

Senate Republicans desperately want you to believe their health care bill is something it’s not.

They want you to believe that it protects the financially and medically vulnerable, that it won’t “pull the rug out” from people now depending on the Affordable Care Act for insurance, that ― as President Donald Trump has promised ― it will have “heart.”

Reality is different.

The Senate bill, which GOP leaders unveiled Thursday, looks an awful lot like the bill that the House passed in May. It would roll back the expansion of Medicaid that has allowed millions of people to get health insurance, then change Medicaid’s structure and reduce its funding going forward. It reduces the financial assistance available to Americans who buy coverage on their own and scales back guarantees of what insurance covers.

It would feel like an improvement to some people, for sure, particularly young, healthy people who would end up paying less for coverage than they do today, as well those who want less-comprehensive coverage or are angry about paying the individual mandate penalty. The wealthy Americans now paying taxes that finance Obamacare’s coverage expansion would get to keep that money. But the net effect would be more exposure to crippling medical bills for many millions of Americans.

It’s possible that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and his allies have deluded themselves into thinking this won’t happen. It’s more likely that they grasp the consequences and simply deem them worthwhile, for some combination of personal, political and philosophical reasons.

But they can’t come out and make that argument ― in part because, as polls indicate, the public almost surely disagrees. And so McConnell and his allies have written the Senate bill in a way that’s designed to obscure some of its harshest effects and give skittish members plausible-sounding reasons to vote yes.
 

carpro

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And so McConnell and his allies have written the Senate bill in a way that’s designed to obscure some of its harshest effects and give skittish members plausible-sounding reasons to vote yes.

Taking a page out of the democrat playbook.

Exactly what democrats did with Obamacare. They even put off the harshest, costliest terms until after the 2012 election, Talk about obfuscation and dishonesty.
 

Crabtownboy

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Taking a page out of the democrat playbook.

Exactly what democrats did with Obamacare. They even put off the harshest, costliest terms until after the 2012 election, Talk about obfuscation and dishonesty.

Fake news ... unless you can come up with a credible reference. :Tongue
 

Use of Time

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Taking a page out of the democrat playbook.

Exactly what democrats did with Obamacare. They even put off the harshest, costliest terms until after the 2012 election, Talk about obfuscation and dishonesty.

Oh, well thank goodness! That is certainly a relief! For a minute there I thought you were going to hold the GOP to a higher standard. Scared me to do death!
 

church mouse guy

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I think that several GOP Senators are going to join with the Democrats and defeat the bill, leaving Obamacare in place. Obamacare caused a 30% increase in Medicaid, but Medicaid is limited in what it pays so that sometimes you can get better care by not having any insurance. What is needed is a free market and free market reform. If you want to see what government healthcare looks like go to Cuba and try to get healthcare in a country without good healthcare for even Communist Party members.
 

Adonia

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And yet, McConnell and other GOP'ers claim to work in the interest of the people .... I wonder what people they are thinking about?

Senate Republicans desperately want you to believe their health care bill is something it’s not.

They want you to believe that it protects the financially and medically vulnerable, that it won’t “pull the rug out” from people now depending on the Affordable Care Act for insurance, that ― as President Donald Trump has promised ― it will have “heart.”

Reality is different.

The Senate bill, which GOP leaders unveiled Thursday, looks an awful lot like the bill that the House passed in May. It would roll back the expansion of Medicaid that has allowed millions of people to get health insurance, then change Medicaid’s structure and reduce its funding going forward. It reduces the financial assistance available to Americans who buy coverage on their own and scales back guarantees of what insurance covers.

It would feel like an improvement to some people, for sure, particularly young, healthy people who would end up paying less for coverage than they do today, as well those who want less-comprehensive coverage or are angry about paying the individual mandate penalty. The wealthy Americans now paying taxes that finance Obamacare’s coverage expansion would get to keep that money. But the net effect would be more exposure to crippling medical bills for many millions of Americans.

It’s possible that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and his allies have deluded themselves into thinking this won’t happen. It’s more likely that they grasp the consequences and simply deem them worthwhile, for some combination of personal, political and philosophical reasons.

But they can’t come out and make that argument ― in part because, as polls indicate, the public almost surely disagrees. And so McConnell and his allies have written the Senate bill in a way that’s designed to obscure some of its harshest effects and give skittish members plausible-sounding reasons to vote yes.

The Republican bill is Obamacare light and they have once again failed their supporters. They need to repeal Obamacare in it's entirety and turn the whole thing over to the individual states. Cradle to grave healthcare is not a Federal responsibility as nowhere in the Constitution is this an enumerated power of the Federal government - it simply is not there.
 

Crabtownboy

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Now don't tell me they want to tell us we can keep our own doctors!

They do not want you to know that it takes from the poor and middle class and gives to the super rich ... you will get less coverage for more costs.
 

church mouse guy

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They do not want you to know that it takes from the poor and middle class and gives to the super rich ... you will get less coverage for more costs.

I don't think that you can document your assertion. What is needed in healthcare is a return to the free market. If you want government healthcare, please move to Cuba.
 

Crabtownboy

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I don't think that you can document your assertion. What is needed in healthcare is a return to the free market. If you want government healthcare, please move to Cuba.

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InTheLight

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And yet, McConnell and other GOP'ers claim to work in the interest of the people .... I wonder what people they are thinking about?

Senate Republicans desperately want you to believe their health care bill is something it’s not.

They want you to believe that it protects the financially and medically vulnerable, that it won’t “pull the rug out” from people now depending on the Affordable Care Act for insurance, that ― as President Donald Trump has promised ― it will have “heart.”

Naturally, you have quotes from GOP Senators that show them saying these things?

Oh? You don't?
 

church mouse guy

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Trumpcare will cost MORE for treatments for the disabled
Friday night on MSNBC’s The Last Word , two moving guests, a mother and her severely disabled, intellectually vibrant son, explained what the impact... More »

Trumpcare Targets Medicare as well as Medicaid
Share NANCY ALTMAN, LINDA BENESCH, lbenesch at socialsecurityworks.org, @ssworks Altman is president of Social Security Works , Benesch is... More »

Trumpcare’s Newest Provision Might Be Its Most Odious
FOLLOW: The Republican Party’s primary objections to Obamacare were twofold: The law transferred resources from rich to poor, and was passed by a... More »

Robert Reich: Why Trumpcare is Mean, Mean, Mean
This article first appeared on RobertReich.org. The Senate’s bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act is not a healthcare bill. It’s a tax cut for the...More »

Trumpcare Bill Doesn’t Age Well, Nisen Says
Max Nisen, a Bloomberg Gadfly columnist covering health care, says the Senate Trumpcare bill doesn’t age well. John Kilduff, a founding partner of... More »

1. Trumpcare case in Florida is an isolated incident and deals with Medicaid.
2. The point about Medicare is also phony. Medicare has never been solvent and Obama actually removed $700 billion from it and then put on a soak the rich tax. Ending the Obama soak the rich tax is the first step to putting the Medicare house in order.
3. The point about Obamacare as a Democrat welfare entitlement is also stupid. The real GOP objection to Obamacare besides the horrendous cost is that it was socialized medicine which the Democrats could get by moving to Cuba. The greatest healthcare system in the world was based greatly on free market ideas. Democrats have been attacking American medicine since FDR falsely accused Eli Lilly of price fixing of insulin in order to force Lilly to make a payoff to the Democrats.
4. What Reich attempts to hide in his charges that not continuing Obamacare would be to roll back tax increases on working people is that Obamacare is the most expensive medical plan in the world and was intended only to be a stepping stone to socialized medicine. It taxes young people who do not need an insurance policy that covers things that they do not want and do not need. Healthcare was much more affordable before Obama destroyed the system and closed rural hospitals and clinics.
5. Although your link about how the GOP plan will age does not explain anything but is just a mere headline from one news commentator, it may be safe to presume that the main problem with the GOP bill is that it does not 100% repeal Obamacare and therefore continues the insanity of Obamacare with its extremely high costs for very poor results.

In conclusion, the only cure for the healthcare system is to put as much as possible back into the hands of the free market which has made American medicine the leader in the world. Democrats can hop a plane to Havana to get the government care that they want since Castrocare is just like Obamacare.
 

Crabtownboy

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Naturally, you have quotes from GOP Senators that show them saying these things?

Oh? You don't?

ROFL. Do you really thing any senator in either party is that honest. Please give me a break on that one. Of course they would never say we are going to give you less but make you pay more. ROFL
 

InTheLight

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ROFL. Do you really thing any senator in either party is that honest. Please give me a break on that one. Of course they would never say we are going to give you less but make you pay more. ROFL

Nope, I want quotes from GOP senators that say their bill, "protects the financially and medically vulnerable, that it won’t “pull the rug out” from people now depending on the Affordable Care Act for insurance, that it will have “heart.”

The article you posted claims this is what GOP senators are saying, so I expect you to provide quotes of them asserting this.
 

Crabtownboy

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Nope, I want quotes from GOP senators that say their bill, "protects the financially and medically vulnerable, that it won’t “pull the rug out” from people now depending on the Affordable Care Act for insurance, that it will have “heart.”

The article you posted claims this is what GOP senators are saying, so I expect you to provide quotes of them asserting this.

They will never say that in public as it would be very bad politically for them. You know that.

BTW did you see that the Congressional Budget Office published, in their report today, that 22 million people would lose their insurance under the GOP bill.

Under this plan young people would pay less, but older folk and sick folk would pay more.

Trump’s Health Plan Would Help the Young Middle Class at the Cost of the Old, Poor: CBO

 

carpro

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BTW did you see that the Congressional Budget Office published, in their report today, that 22 million people would lose their insurance under the GOP bill.

Old news. It's also old news that the vast majority of those are people who didn't want to buy insurance in the first place.
 

Reynolds

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Nope, I want quotes from GOP senators that say their bill, "protects the financially and medically vulnerable, that it won’t “pull the rug out” from people now depending on the Affordable Care Act for insurance, that it will have “heart.”

The article you posted claims this is what GOP senators are saying, so I expect you to provide quotes of them asserting this.
Repealing a welfare law will naturally take benefits away from some.
 
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