Here's How Mitt Romney Might Have Paid No Taxes

[freeatlast]

It many ways it is unimportant. But obviously it has a bearing on the election else there would not be such a large amount of talk about it.

Again, unless he has something he wants hidden there is no reason not to release them. Others have.

Hmmmm, maybe in 2009 he got a huge refund check because of money he lost in 2008 and carried part of that loss forward to 2009. It is legal.

Yes there is reason not to put it out and that is he has rights. The only reason this is an issue is politics, not because it is our right to see his tax return.

 

[freeatlast]

Uh, I think you have that mixed up with voter ID cards. You will provide proof of your allegation? Democrats have learned nothing from the GOP, because the average voting Democrat is uninformed and uneducated, believing the Dem party is the party of long ago, and it is not. The leaders in the Democratic party (you know, those who put in the plank about homosexual marriage, etc., they are wicked and will stoop at nothing, to win and destroy our nation). They are the party bringing a "gun" to the fight, from your leader's own words.

This thread is disgusting.

I think that also mirrors the republican party and its followers, don't you?.

 

[Don]

The birthers my friend, the birthers.

So -- can we call you a "taxer"?

 

[Crabtownboy]

So -- can we call you a "taxer"?

I believe in a balanced budget, or one where the year ends up on the black. We will never get there without both raising taxes and lowering spending. I fear the future for our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren is bleak ... and will become worse if Congress does not grab the bull by the horns and make some politicially unpopular decisions. Kicking the can down the road will only make it worse when the piper has to be paid.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Yes there is reason not to put it out and that is he has rights. The only reason this is an issue is politics, not because it is our right to see his tax return.

Same for academic records ... for both candidates as well as their medical records .... right?

It isn't a rights problem for Romney. It is a preception problem and perception means a lot in politics.

 

[freeatlast]

Same for academic records ... for both candidates as well as their medical records .... right?

It isn't a rights problem for Romney. It is a preception problem and perception means a lot in politics.

It is only a perception for those who oppose him. The same with the non issue things asked from the President. The bottom line is it will not sway a single person one way or the other. It is nothing but a political move to get peoples attention off the real issues. The President DOES NOT want to have to deal with the real issues.

 

[preachinjesus]

Nothing at all wrong in what you did. You went by the rules and did well.

So shouldn't we assume that a political figure running for office who knows they could be audited, has (probably) a small firm employed to help manage their wealth, that this person would do their due diligence? That their actions would be legal?

Listen, I'm as middle of the road as they come. Frankly I think Romney is a terrible candidate for the RNC. But Reid is being a jerk and abusing his role as Senate leader.

FWIW, the Romney camp isn't going to release the records. This is a minor storm. If they release them and people (normal people) see that he made $50 million that is a losing position. The one they've taken is a good one.

Honestly every time someone ask Romney for his tax returns I'd turn it around and ask for the President's admissions records.

BTW: this is why I hate politics. This (and many other issues) have NOTHING to do with the substance of the campaign. This isn't in any way related to how any candidate will act in office. This is just one giant game of gotcha and it's destroying our country. Politics is the exacerbation of sinful actions.

 

[Crabtownboy]

It is only a perception for those who oppose him. The same with the non issue things asked from the President. The bottom line is it will not sway a single person one way or the other. It is nothing but a political move to get peoples attention off the real issues. The President DOES NOT want to have to deal with the real issues.

I agree it is a political move by H. Reid and it will sway some people. How many? I have no clue. It will not change your vote and maybe no one's vote on the board.

Concerning real issues I think Romney is better at being nebulous than Obama. He is better as being like by Noah S. "Soggy" Sweat, Jr., a lawmaker Mississippi who was asked if Mississippi should legalize the sale of alcohol replied:

My friends, I had not intended to discuss this controversial subject at this particular time. However, I want you to know that I do not shun controversy. On the contrary, I will take a stand on any issue at any time, regardless of how fraught with controversy it might be. You have asked me how I feel about whiskey. All right, here is how I feel about whiskey:

If when you say whiskey you mean the devil's brew, the poison scourge, the bloody monster, that defiles innocence, dethrones reason, destroys the home, creates misery and poverty, yea, literally takes the bread from the mouths of little children; if you mean the evil drink that topples the Christian man and woman from the pinnacle of righteous, gracious living into the bottomless pit of degradation, and despair, and shame and helplessness, and hopelessness, then certainly I am against it.

But, if when you say whiskey you mean the oil of conversation, the philosophic wine, the ale that is consumed when good fellows get together, that puts a song in their hearts and laughter on their lips, and the warm glow of contentment in their eyes; if you mean Christmas cheer; if you mean the stimulating drink that puts the spring in the old gentleman's step on a frosty, crispy morning; if you mean the drink which enables a man to magnify his joy, and his happiness, and to forget, if only for a little while, life's great tragedies, and heartaches, and sorrows; if you mean that drink, the sale of which pours into our treasuries untold millions of dollars, which are used to provide tender care for our little crippled children, our blind, our deaf, our dumb, our pitiful aged and infirm; to build highways and hospitals and schools, then certainly I am for it.
This is my stand. I will not retreat from it. I will not compromise.

:laugh:

 

[Crabtownboy]

So shouldn't we assume that a political figure running for office who knows they could be audited, has (probably) a small firm employed to help manage their wealth, that this person would do their due diligence? That their actions would be legal?

I have no doubt what he filed was legal and therefore I feel it was a mistake when he made the decision not to make them public.

Listen, I'm as middle of the road as they come. Frankly I think Romney is a terrible candidate for the RNC. But Reid is being a jerk and abusing his role as Senate leader.

I have no problem with either statement.

FWIW, the Romney camp isn't going to release the records. This is a minor storm. If they release them and people (normal people) see that he made $50 million that is a losing position. The one they've taken is a good one.

I believe he has been placed in a very bad position no matter what he does now.

Honestly every time someone ask Romney for his tax returns I'd turn it around and ask for the President's admissions records.

Why the admissions record? Obama released his income tax returns. Anyway, Romney has not released his academic records. I expect both would be boring to see.

BTW: this is why I hate politics. This (and many other issues) have NOTHING to do with the substance of the campaign. This isn't in any way related to how any candidate will act in office. This is just one giant game of gotcha and it's destroying our country. Politics is the exacerbation of sinful actions.

I have no problem with your statement. Thanks for a reasoned reply.

 

[Don]

I believe in a balanced budget, or one where the year ends up on the black. We will never get there without both raising taxes and lowering spending. I fear the future for our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren is bleak ... and will become worse if Congress does not grab the bull by the horns and make some politicially unpopular decisions. Kicking the can down the road will only make it worse when the piper has to be paid.

Missed the point; if we call certain people "birthers" because they want to see Obama's birth certificate; what do we call the people who want to see Romney's tax returns?

 

[Don]

Why the admissions record?

Because there are a number of Columbia students who have no recollection of Obama attending classes there; there is a Columbia political science professor who has no recollection of Obama attending any of his classes; and there is at least one 'classmate' of Obama who thinks it's very possible that Obama enrolled at Columbia as a foreign exchange student -- which would put his citizenship in question.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Because there are a number of Columbia students who have no recollection of Obama attending classes there; there is a Columbia political science professor who has no recollection of Obama attending any of his classes; and there is at least one 'classmate' of Obama who thinks it's very possible that Obama enrolled at Columbia as a foreign exchange student -- which would put his citizenship in question.

ROFL. There are lots of folk who were in classes with me in college that I have absolutely no memory about, probably several hundred at least and I bet they have no memory of me. That proves absolutely nothing, except they forgot about him.

And one student "thinks it very possible" ... give me a break.:laugh:

 

[Don]

ROFL. There are lots of folk who were in classes with me in college that I have absolutely no memory about, probably several hundred at least and I bet they have no memory of me. That proves absolutely nothing, except they forgot about him.

And one student "thinks it very possible" ... give me a break.:laugh:

And thus, you acknowledge the utter silliness of the Romney tax return situation. Thanks!

 

[Crabtownboy]

And thus, you acknowledge the utter silliness of the Romney tax return situation. Thanks!

Heavens no. I have not read where anyone says, "Gee, I forget what Romney had on his tax returns". Totally different subject.

 

[Don]

Heavens no. I have not read where anyone says, "Gee, I forget what Romney had on his tax returns". Totally different subject.

Dude, making a big deal out of Romney's tax returns is no different than making a big deal out of Obama's birth certificate or college admission forms. Obama's situation spoke to the validity of his eligibility; Romney's tax returns speak to the validity of...well, I haven't quite figured that one out. I guess it validates that he's rich?

Unless you want to be hypocritical, and say it's okay for Obama to not disclose all his documents and put all the nay-sayers to rest; but by golly by gum, Romney needs to play by a different set of rules and disclose all his documents.

 

[freeatlast]

Dude, making a big deal out of Romney's tax returns is no different than making a big deal out of Obama's birth certificate or college admission forms. Obama's situation spoke to the validity of his eligibility; Romney's tax returns speak to the validity of...well, I haven't quite figured that one out. I guess it validates that he's rich?

Unless you want to be hypocritical, and say it's okay for Obama to not disclose all his documents and put all the nay-sayers to rest; but by golly by gum, Romney needs to play by a different set of rules and disclose all his documents.

I don't agree. Romney's tax forms are really no body's business. And unless the IRS has shown that he is breaking the law it should be hands off.
However in the case of President Obama's birth certificate there is a certain amount of concern if he is actually legally allowed to be president and it should be investigated. Also the college admission forms cover the same issue. So there is no comparison between legality and just being nosey.

 

[Andy T.]

The question I have is why didn't Obama and the Democratic House and Senate change all these tax laws that supposedly benefit the Evil Rich Guys when they had complete control from Jan. 2009 through Dec. 2010? Why didn't they get rid of the Bush Tax Cuts for those filthy rich people making over the incomprehensible amount of $200,000?

I'll tell you why - because they are all cowards and frauds. And you can put Obama at the top of that list.

 

[Crabtownboy]

However in the case of President Obama's birth certificate there is a certain amount of concern if he is actually legally allowed to be president and it should be investigated. Also the college admission forms cover the same issue. So there is no comparison between legality and just being nosey.[/FONT]

No, it was always apparent that the birthers had no case. Why? Because Obama's mother was a natural born citizen and under US law that made Obama a natural born citizen.

Romney has been backed into a corner on the tax returns and much of that was and is his own doing. It is not that they are so important ... it is the perception that he hiding something.

It is interesting, at least to me, that Mitt's father George Romney was the first candidate to release his tax returns when he was running a campaign hoping to be his party's candidate for the presidency.

George Romney "released 12 years of tax returns -- because, he said, and I quote -- 'one year could be a fluke, perhaps done for show,'"

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...links-romney-taxes-immigration/1#.UCP9EaNdC1c

Oops Mitt, your dad say one year may be only for show. Twelve years is a different matter. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..................

 

[LadyEagle]

The question I have is why didn't Obama and the Democratic House and Senate change all these tax laws that supposedly benefit the Evil Rich Guys when they had complete control from Jan. 2009 through Dec. 2010? Why didn't they get rid of the Bush Tax Cuts for those filthy rich people making over the incomprehensible amount of $200,000?

I'll tell you why - because they are all cowards and frauds. And you can put Obama at the top of that list.

That is an excellent thought, about changing the tax laws when he had the house & senate - excellent - hadn't thought about that one!! :thumbs:

 

[LadyEagle]

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