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Marcia and Brother Bob,

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Thank you, Bob!

It took 50 of the 60 years that I lived during the 20th Century as an adult before Pre-Trib advocates finally realized the wicked were "taken away in judgment"! They realized that Luke (not Matthew) states directly that "they were taken away by being destroyed"!!

I don't know why it took them so long to recognize the truth that what comes "suddenly" applies only to UNBELIEVERS who are all "destroyed"!!!

I think Pre-Tribbers also are finally beginning to realize the "ones taken
and ones left" have nothing to do with Believers being taken or left! They have no Scripture to support their OLD theory that only Believers will be "left" to populate the Kingdom!! Those who "mourn and beg to escape God's wrath" are the ones KEPT ALIVE and therefore LEFT to populate the Kingodom just as Noah and family were LEFT to re-populate the earth!!!
Mel Miller www.lastday.net :love2:

 

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There is no "problem of timing"! That's the error of Pre-Trib Doctrine!! Jesus was clear that the Bema occurs after the LAST MARTYR has been
killed who must be killed; because "He brings His rewards WITH Him for
every believer". Matt.16:27; Rev.22:12. Trib-Martyrs receive the highest possible reward offered to the Church after the HOUR of Trial has ended. Rev.3:10-12; Rev.7:14-17; Rev.20:4-6.

Please stop confusing people!!!
Just stick with what you acknowledge at the start of this post, i.e., that "Jesus comes WITH all Believers by first coming FOR all Believers"!!!!

You are slick in trying to avoid the issue by introducing three questions that have nothing to do with the subject you introduced by a video dramatization of "Who are the ones `taken and who are left'"?

The "one taken and one left", as Jesus clearly presents, refers to all the
UNBELIEVERS who must make a final choice of whether to "pray to escape all these things ON THE DAY HE IS REVEALED ... OR be slain by the wrath
of God coming on all who obey not the Gospel ON THE DAY He rescues the entire remnant of Jews and delivers those who have endured tribulation"! Joel 2:32; 2 Thess.1:7-10. All those who "endure/survive to the END" know they will be saved from physical death. Matt.24:14; Rev.2:25-27.
Once the last martyrs have been killed, no more Believers can be killed!!!

Believers do not need to be urged to "pray to escape" the wrath to which God says "no Believer has been appointed"! Rom.5:9; I Thess.5:9.
Why not begin to apply the Scripture to ALL Believers for a change???
Mel Miller www.lastday.net :love2:

 

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skypair remarks:

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It says "pray that you might be judged worthy to escape all those things that are coming upon the earth." I don't see "begging," I don't see how vs.36 goes beyong 35 in explaining what "those things" are. I'm sure you got some of this from other people's confusion regarding those words but that's all "passe" now.
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Those who "pray to escape" will not do so based on whether or nor they are "worthy"! The condition requires them to admit they deserve death and so must be "willing to die"!! Only then may they be "kept alive".
Luke 17:30-33. They must "prevail in prayer (meaning of word translated worthy is "prevail"; katischuo; #2729) in order to stand before Christ. No Believer needs to "pray to stand before Christ"!!!

Unbelievers need to "prevail"; Believers need to be "worthy". 2 Thess.1: 5,11 where Paul twice uses #515, axiow, to be entitled to or to be worthy of our calling and blameless" as he prayed for all the Saints in I Thes.3:13.

The ordinary word for "pray" is #4336, to worship. The word in Luke 21:36 is #1189, deomai, to beseech or beg, because the only chance to escape
God's wrath occurs during the HOUR of Trial "coming on all mankind on all the face of all the earth ON THE DAY He is revealed"! Luke 21:34-35; Rev.3:10; Luke 17:27-30. Jesus pinpoints the "HOUR of Trial" taking place when "they see Him appear in great glory and power". Luke 21:27-34.

The HOUR of Trial, therefore, is limited to the DAY Christ appears.

That should give you second thoughts about making the careless remark: "I don't see how vs.36 goes beyong 35 in explaining what `those things' are. I'm sure you got some of this from other people's confusion regarding those words but that's all `passe' now`".

Why should you think the Word of the Lord is "passe"?

Why, my friend, don't you take His Word seriously that "men's hearts will fail" ON THE DAY He is revealed and they will either perish or be prostrating themselves, "begging for mercy"? Ask yourself why you can't see the ones LEFT behind "begging and prevailing to stand before the Son of Man" and the wicked rotting while standing still ... until their knees buckle involuntarily and they are "taken away; consumed by billions of birds at the great supper of God Almighty"! Rev.19:17-21.
Mel Miller www.lastday.net :love2:

 

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skypair

My Quote:
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You (skypair) claim I (Mel) am "passing off the resurrection of the just for the rapture ... which (as you claim) it aint"! Why do you constantly ignore the Word of the Lord that "He will raise up all believers on the last day because it is His Father's will to raise up every believer on the last day"? Jesus stated this 4 times! Jno.6:38-40,44,54. Are you deliberately denying the holy word of Jesus??

skypair's response:
"Does it at all slow you down that all those verses are in John 6?? Maybe He's talking about something else. Maybe that "last day" is as 1000 years in the which all WILL have been judged! Find somemore "fodder," then tell me what it means.
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My response:
If these verses were in Matthew, you could follow the Pre-Trib "line" that Jesus was talking about the Jews. My view is that Jesus DOES talk about the Jews, but only in the account given by Luke 21:28-36 where, on that LAST DAY, only UNCONVINCED Jews up to that DAY and HOUR will "stand erect, look up and know their redemption and kingdom are near"! Ministry and Preaching by the Two Prophets will have prepared them for the DAY of the Lord as predicted over and over and over by their Prophets.

You claim "The Resurrection of the Just and the Rapture" do NOT occur at once; but according to Rev.11:18 they both occur at the 7th Trumpet where God's Wrath is announced from heaven, for the only time, as "having come". It's the "appointed (kairos) time for judging the dead (requiring the resurrection), rewarding the saints and prophets and all who fear God, both small and great (requiring the rapture) and destroying the destroyers of earth" (requiring retribution upon the unjust)!

You obviously think my coined word LASTDAY is "FODDER" for equating it with 1000 years. Are you trying to surreptitiously divert the issue and imply Jesus actually meant He will raise up "every/all believers" over a period of 1000 years instead of on the DAY He appears? I'm surprised you didn't include EE's "fodder" that the word "day" also means "seven years"!
Mel Miller www.lastday.net :laugh:

 

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skypair,

My Quote:
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I agree that the "begging to escape" in Luke 21:36 directly "refers only to Luke 21:35" because it occurs ON THE SAME DAY CHRIST IS REVEALED FROM HEAVEN IN FLAMING FIRE TO TAKE VENGEANCE ON ALL WHO REJECT THE GOSPEL. It also refers to "all THINGS that happens (plural subject with singular verb) from the moment they see the signs
in the sun, moon and stars ON THAT SAME DAY!! Luke 21:25-34.]

Your response:
"21:35 is NOT Christ's return. Christ is coming with "snares?" Think about it again".
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OK, lets's think again. Luke 21:27 IS Christ's return and verses 28-31 reveal the response by those who are LEFT BEHIND. For it is clear, from Matt.24:30, that those who "mourn" continue to do so after they see the Son of Man appear!

It is clear from Luke 17:27-33 that, ON THE DAY CHRIST IS REVEALED, there is precious little time to decide if one will perish or be "kept alive"!

What is the initial reaction? When men see the signs of that DAY, their hearts fail from fear ... not just at signs in the heavens; but with the seas and surfs roaring from the giant tsunamis just before the HOUR of Trial begins. Luke 21:25. There will be "distress and perplexity among the nations at the sound of the waves" even before the HOUR for the Son of Man to appear!

What is the continuing reaction? The Jews who "stand erect at the beginning of these signs will begin to mourn when they see Christ appear and they will "know their redemption is near"! Luke 21:28. When they see the Son of Man appear, they will keep "begging to prevail so as to stand before Him because they know their kingdom is near". Luke 21:31.

All this goes through the minds of Israelis AFTER the Resurrection and Rapture has occurred; for Jesus "raises up every believer and gathers us from earth to heaven and sends the angels to complete the gathering out of the 4 winds from all the extremities of the heavenS"! This occurs before the HOUR of Trial that comes on all the inhabitants on all the face of all the earth" ... the same HOUR that comes unexpectedly for all who reject Christ. All believers, because of the third sounding of the Last Trump, will be exempt from that Hour and through that Hour those who "mourn and beg to escape will be kept alive"! Rev.3:10; Luke 21:34-35; Luke 17:33; Mark 13:27; Matt.24:31. Jesus confirms that which is coming "on all the world to test every person" applies strictly to the Hour He appears!!!

So, my friend, Luke 21:35 is indeed the Hour Christ appears. It is "that day that comes unexpectedly, as a snare"! It is not just Christ alone who
comes "with snares", as you assume, but "all these things that are about to happenS ON THAT DAY"!! That's the reason for a Plural Subject (all these things) being used with a Singular Verb (HAPPENS)!!!
Mel Miller www.lastday.net :love2:

 

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skypair:
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Mel’s Quote:
Jesus was clear that the Bema occurs after the LAST MARTYR has been
killed who must be killed; because "He brings His rewards WITH Him for
every believer". Matt.16:27; Rev.22:12. Trib-Martyrs receive the highest possible reward offered to the Church after the HOUR of Trial has ended. Rev.3:10-12; Rev.7:14-17; Rev.20:4-6.

Your response:
“First, where does it say that church saints are gathered by angels?? You have yet to demonstrate that Jesus said we were waiting for angels and not for Him. It is equally clear that He comes with His angels gathering both tares and wheat postrib.

Rev 22:7, 12 - "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." It is patently obvious that when Jesus comes to the earth again, yes, He will reward those in Mt 16:27, Rev 22:7, 15, Rev 11:18, Rev 20:4. Good on ya, mate! Ya figured that one out!


Mel's Response:
How do you agree with me so easily as to what occurs when Jesus comes with His Angels to reward every Believer?! That means you must actually admit He sends the angels to gather Trib-Saints "from all the extremities of the heavenS”!! That means countless places of initiation in the process of Angels "gathering all the dead and living unto Christ"!!!

Only Jesus reveals the Angels do the gathering after “God brings the souls of the dead in Christ (including Trib-Martyrs) WITH Jesus from the third heaven”! See I Thess.4:13-14. In gathering these Elect out of the “heavenS”, Angels take over at countless points below the 3rd heaven where the 4 winds reach to the atmospheric space that is globally visible above the earth … in space that includes the “clouds”. This is true though neither Jesus nor Paul directly tells us!! Jesus, in Mark 13:27, allows no other explanation. For “every eye will see Jesus and those coming with Him on the clouds of great power and glory”!!! They continue to "mourn and beg to escape" AFTER Angels complete our gathering to Jesus. Matt.24:30; Rev.1:7.

You agree Trib-Saints are “gathered by angels” from millions of places for taking Believers out of the 4 winds”! You must also agree that Jesus first “gathers these Elect from earth to all points in heaven out these same 4 winds”!! Angels have neither the knowledge nor the capacity to "raise up the dead in Christ"!!!

Jesus states that He sends the angels (apostelei; 3rd person singular) and He gathers the Elect (episunaxei; 3rd person singular) together above and out of the 4 winds”! Mark 13:27. He sends the Angels (episunaxousin; 3rd person plural) to complete the “gathering from countless extremities of the heavenS unto Jesus”!!
Matt.24:31. He reveals the Angels assume their task AFTER men “see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven in great power and glory”!!! Matt.24:30.

OH, your question: “How does it say the church saints are gathered by angels”?? You only need me to remind you that all Saints must wait for their reward until the Angels finish “gathering us unto Jesus at the Synagogue” in the Sky!! 2 Thess.2:1.
When Paul used this NOUN for the "gathering place unto Jesus", he allows for
the Lamb's wedding at the MEETING PLACE ABOVE while those "blessed by being invited to the wedding supper" must wait until He brings us to the earth!!!

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

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skypair,
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But let's talk about the CHURCH for a minute! Rev 3:10 - "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." Luke 21:36
- "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." There's just no getting around that the "snares," the "things coming upon the whole earth" and the "temptation" are all the tribulation.
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Mel's Response:

Jesus pinpoints the exact time for His "DAY and HOUR coming unexpectedly, as a snare, upon all the inhabitants on all the face of all the earth” (using the very same words given in Rev.3:10) by confirming (since He is the author of both texts) that "the HOUR of testing will occur when men’s hearts faint from fear at the raging of the winds against seas and surfs on the DAY Christ appears". It takes a few hours for tsunamis to strike after the signs of that DAY occur, while 100 verses in Revelation are being fulfilled, but the HOUR of Testing occurs on the Day that all men see Him and millions mourn after Christ appears! Luke 21:25-35.

God exempts ALL who “keep His word to endure (patient under tribulation) by keeping them from this testing coming on all the earth ON THAT DAY” or by “keeping alive all who mourn and beg to escape" knowing they deserve to die; but also suddenly "knowing their redemption and kingdom are near". Luke 21:28-35; Luke 17:27-33.

I have already shown that the word for “pray” is not proseuchomai (#4336; to pray); but deomai; to beg; #1189 (see The New Strong’s Complete Dictionary of Bible Words).

What you need to know is the meaning of “begging ALWAYS”! The words for “praying always” should be “begging at every time” where “at each Kairos”, #2520, Jesus refers to each of the “set events” that are “about to HAPPENS on the Last Day”!! It makes no sense for Jesus to promise the Jews they will be “kept alive” (Luke 17:33) ON THAT DAY ... Luke 17:27-30 ... unless it is the “appointed time” for our Resurrection, Rewards, Retribution and their Rescue!!! This word, by itself, is used only once in Revelation for three of these four "appointed events" that are predicted to occurr at the 7th Trumpet. Rev.11:18.

Jesus is saying that “at each set of HAPPENINGS ON THAT DAY, to keep on begging in order to PREVAIL (#2729; katischuo; to prevail; NOT kataxioo; #2661 to be counted worthy) BECAUSE “all things are about to happenS on that day”!!! He uses the plural noun, all things, with a singular verb, happens, to show that “each of the events set for that Day come unexpectedly, as a snare, on all mankind in ONE HOUR ... but when the all-consuming hope of Israel will be fulfilled to God's glory!!!

Mel Miller www.lastday.net We are among the Saints who must agree the Day of the Lord is a single 12-Hour-Day before there can be unity on this question. :saint:

 

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skypair,

Mel’s Quote:
Trib-Martyrs receive the highest possible reward offered to the Church after the HOUR of Trial has ended. Rev.3:10-12; 7:14-17; 20:4-6.
Reply by skypair:
That's very magnanimous of YOU to award the trib martyrs OUR crowns and OUR pillars! Problem for you is that NJ ain't comin' to earth for 1000 years after the judgment. Is that how long we will wait for our reward in NJ? To have the name of it and of our God written on our forehead?

Mel, I realize this all may confuse you and your website that you are deeply committed to. Wouldn't it be a travesty if you were wrong all this time!


So you are not pleased that God should give the special reward of “serving God as
Pillars in the Temple of heaven for 1000 years” and thus take away what belongs to Pre-Trib Saints! You don’t see the big picture at all by assuming the New Jerusalem
“ain’t coming to earth for another 1000 years” after the first resurrection of Rev.20:5-6.

You know you can’t restrict the “first resurrection” of Rev.20:4-6 to Pre-Trib saints!
You have backed yourself into my corner where ALL who survive to the END will reign on earth with Christ for 1000 years WHILE the New Jerusalem remains in heaven!! Rev.2:25-27; Rev.7:15-17; Rev.3:10-12. The primary reason for the revelation of the Reign of Martyrs with Christ in heaven for 1000 years is to strengthen and fortify their faith while “loving NOT their life unto death” UNTIL the Hour of testing envelopes the entire earth and we who survived are “kept from that Hour” while the Jews will be “kept alive” through that Hour!!!

Until Believers accept the Last Day as a 12-Hour-Day during which 100 verses in the Book of Revelation are fulfilled, there can be no unity on the question of who takes part in the “first resurrection” NOR agreement with Paul that “ALL the Saints should (and will) prove worthy to come with Jesus”! I Thess.3:13; 2 Thess.1:5,11.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net We are all among the Saints, whether Pre-Trib or Post-Trib :saint:

 

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skypair,

My last post needs clarification after realizing one paragraph is incorrect:

My quote:
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So you are not pleased that God should give the special reward of “serving God as Pillars in the Temple of heaven for 1000 years” and thus take away what belongs to Pre-Trib Saints! You don’t see the big picture at all by assuming the New Jerusalem “ain’t coming to earth for another 1000 years” after the first resurrection of Rev.20:5-6.
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I should have written: "You won't see the big picture until you realize the
Martyrs will dwell in the New Jerusalem for 1000 years before they and it
come down upon/over the New Earth"!

Obviously the reason for the Millennial reign of Rev.20:4 being attributed to them is that their reward begins at the First Resurrection; and that it
requires the New Jerusalem to remain in heaven during that entire time!!

We do not rob Pre-Trib Martyrs of their reward since they too should
reign in heaven and "serve God as Pillars in its Temple for 1000 years"!!!
Rev.3:10-12; Rev.7:14-17; Rev.20:4-6.
Mel Miller www.lastday.net :saint:

 

Amen, Brother Skypair -- Preach it! :thumbs:

 

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Well, my erstwhile friend,
When a person gives up without having supported his case, as you are doing here, it is common for him to state how difficult it is to understand
my view. This is shown by your incredulity with respect to (1) Why Martyrs should spend 1000 years in heaven "serving God as Pillars in the New Jerusalem Temple in heaven" AND (2) By suggesting it would be out of character for Pre-Trib Martyrs to be included among them AND (3) By failing to grasp how they could possibly be included among those raised up in the First Resurrection of Rev.20:5. Your confession of incredulity is as incredible as your repeated self-styled boast about possessung "real knowledge of eschatology".

I deeply resent your accusation that I am "anti-Israel" and believe God will chastise you for this. As for dispensational doctrine, I knew it better than you do before you were born, unless you are at least 70. I was immersed in Larkin's charts from 1935 to 1943 and was a staunch advocate of Pre-Trib Doctrine. I was taught by the Archbishop of Dispensationalism, Dr. Harry Ironside, pastor of Moody Church from 1940 to 1943.

So will you please stop parading your superior knowledge and cease beating that drum, as in your last post, that:
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It is typical of "entry level" students of eschatology that they fail to account for dispensations, particularly as regards the old covenant vs. new. It is typical that they either don't see Daniel's 70th week or they dismiss it as concurrent with the church era.
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I am one of a very few who anticipate that 5 Million Jews will become the
channel of God's blessing to at least 200 million Muslims during the 1000-
Year Reign of Christ over the earth.

As for Prophecy, can you prove, as I have done , that the last day of Daniel's prophecy of 69 Sevens was the "appointed DAY" Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the colt of a donkey on Palm Sunday? Unless you can do so, you have not yet reached the "entry level or prophecy" which will claim
I have yet to enter. And can you see Christ returning within 1263 1/2 days of the "Abomination standing in the Temple" as Antichrist becomes ONE OF FIVE CATALYSTS that launch the ENDTIME!!
SHALOM!!!:wavey:

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

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skypair,
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Maybe you didn't understand dispensationalism to begin with, eh? I mean -- 200 million Muslims escape the gathering of the "tares?" What are you thinking?? And mixing real trib days (1260) with figurative Daniel's 70th week (3 1/2) days???

My Response:
Where in the world did you get the idea of gathering the "tares" prior to the great tribulation since they are “reaped first” and the wheat is reaped second? Matt.13:30. What are you thinking?? What do you mean by “mixing real trib days (1260) with figurative Daniel's 70th week (3 1/2) days”??? Both ideas are mish-mash!

Your quote continues to belittle the knowledge I had long before the modern debate began in the early seventies that questioned who it is that will be “TAKEN and LEFT”! I was taught Dispensationalism from the age of 14 to the age of 19 (1934 to 1939) by a Plymouth Brethren minister and could give the detailed outline of the charts of 7 dispensations by Clarence Larkin!! I made the change to PostTrib in 1945 when I found I could not prove Christ might come at “any-moment” AND that the “tares are separated from wheat” when Christ comes at the END of the Age!!!

But PreTrib doctrine took another 35 years to come up with its greatest single shift around 1970! I still attended an Independent Baptist church because I hold to the Dispensational Restoration of Israel at the Head of the Nations. But then my pastor preached that he no longer supported the teaching that Believers are TAKEN to heaven in the Rapture and that
Unbelievers are given a second chance during the great Tribulation to be saved. For it was obvious the “wheat and tares” are not separated at a Pre-Trib Rapture!! Even in your Video of those Left Behind, YOU seem to at least recognize the OLD View was incorrect that those LEFT BEHIND are NOT “all taken away and Destroyed” as Luke clearly states of those who mourn and then "beg (deomai) to be able to stand before the Son of Man WHEN THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN"!!! Matt.24:30; Luke 21:25-36.

The OLD view was based on Matthew. The NEW view recognized Luke see the wicked "all taken away and destroyed". The pastor finally recognized Jesus did NOT say the “wheat were all taken away” in the Rapture.

I remained in a Dispensational-Teaching Church since I had long since realized Jesus taught the restoration of the entire remnant of Israel at the End of this Age when they “see Him coming in the name of the Lord”! They are the primary ones who “stand erect, look up, begin to mourn and then beg (deomai), at each (kairos) appointed occurrence of the things set (about; mello) to happen on that day and to be able (prevail) to stand before the Son of Man”!! And Zechariah requires that all those “left of the nations that come against Jerusalem must come annually to worship God at Jerusalem”. Zech.14:16!!!

I also had long since realized the predicted “10-1 ratio of Gentiles to Jews” coming to the God of Israel during the Millennium requires at least 50 million of the 12 Tribes of Ishmael will be Blessed with salvation before God’s promise to Abraham of countless numbers of his “natural seed” can be fulfilled! It made no sense to require Trib-Saints to be LEFT BEHIND to populate the Kingdom and still produce that “countless number” of worshipers in addition to countless numbers of goat nations who will turn against the Saints at Jerusalem in the final Gog and Magog war at the End of the Age to Come.

Finally, Justification by Grace thru faith is true for all Believers of all Dispensations until Jesus restores Israel at the head of the nations! Then the blessings of the Millennium depend upon worshiping God annually at Jerusalem for 1000 years. They must treat the brethren of Jesus as they would treat Him after the Trib-Martyrs sing the victory song that men will come to worship God. Rev.15:3-4!! Pre-Trib doctrine, as taught to me, did not allow a second chance for unbelievers during the Great Tribulation … that is, if they had heard and rejected the Gospel!!!

That’s just the Big Picture. I have 50 reasons why there are not TWO LAST DAYS, TWO LAST TRUMPS, TWO ENDS OF THIS AGE, TWO GROUPS OF SAINTS NOR TWO TIMES SEPARATED BY SEVEN YEARS TO “BRING THE SOULS OF THOSE WHO SLEEP IN JESUS” FROM HEAVEN AND TAKE SURVIVING SAINTS “FROM EARTH TO MEET JESUS AT THE SYNAGOGUE IN HEAVEN”. Mark 13:27; I Thess.4:13-17; 2 Thess.2:1.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net :saint:

 

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skypair,

Your response utterly evades the question of who is taken and left! I see
the Apostate Church utterly destroyed before the great tribulation!! The worship of the Beast has nothing to do with the Church, true or false!!!

Your Quote:
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"The church is apostate during the trib, my friend! There's still no license to believe that OT Israel and NT church are one entity either now or in the trib. In that regard, you are no dispensationalist, mel".
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Partner in the Faith:

We totally clash from this point forward! So let's say "you win" if the CHURCH WILL NOT BE TRIUMPHANT during the great tribulation!! Our dialogue on this thread, therefore, is over, FINISHED!! Thanks for the discussion!!! I'm not the least interested in reading your reasons for denying the Church and saved of OT Israel are part of the ONE BODY created by the Cross!!!! Eph.2:12-22.

Mel at www.lastday.net :applause: