1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Heroic Woman

Discussion in '2007 Archive' started by Magnetic Poles, Dec 10, 2007.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Chessic

    Chessic New Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2007
    Messages:
    426
    Likes Received:
    0
    I like the way this woman gave the credit for her bravery to God. I hope her statement of faith moves people. Where Hollywood often betrays Christians as hypocritical cowards, she stood up in faith and lived to tell the tale.
     
  2. Ps104_33

    Ps104_33 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2001
    Messages:
    4,005
    Likes Received:
    0
    You all need to do a study on the word "church"
     
  3. Ed Edwards

    Ed Edwards <img src=/Ed.gif>

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2002
    Messages:
    15,715
    Likes Received:
    0
    Some sources say that the authorities there said
    the man committed suicide. This indicates that
    the self-inflicted shot lead to his demise not
    the guard (female hero guard) inflicted shots.
     
  4. corndogggy

    corndogggy Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2006
    Messages:
    1,108
    Likes Received:
    4
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I wondered who would take issue with this, mainly because, why does it matter? She hit him multiple times, and it was not disclosed where. You can get popped in the liver and easily make it maybe 20 minutes. She identified herself to him, so he probably would have turned towards her, at close range, and with law enforcement experience, she would have been aiming right at the middle of his chest. More than likely the only thing his "suicide" did was speed up the death process. Makes for a better guilt-free story though.
     
  5. corndogggy

    corndogggy Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2006
    Messages:
    1,108
    Likes Received:
    4
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Oooh, like England? Hanguns are banned there, but since they were, gun crimes have increased to the point where they are much worse than the U.S., and most other major crimes have increased as well.

    Oh, or maybe Australia? Nope, they got worse too. Armed robberies went up 44%, burglaries where the criminal knows you're home and busts in anyway went up 300%.
     
    #45 corndogggy, Dec 12, 2007
    Last edited by a moderator: Dec 12, 2007
  6. corndogggy

    corndogggy Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2006
    Messages:
    1,108
    Likes Received:
    4
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I thought this was interesting. Awful coincidental. Plus, he never actually got off any shots inside the building did he? I may be mixing up the two events. Just seems like if he really wanted to, he could have gotten off alot more shots than what he did. Strange that they just happened to beef up security, the guard who did the shooting just happened to be the one that recommended beefing it up, the shooter just happened to not be shooting much, and the guard just happened to be in the perfect spot.
     
  7. Ed Edwards

    Ed Edwards <img src=/Ed.gif>

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2002
    Messages:
    15,715
    Likes Received:
    0
    It makes it easier to prove the guard was justified
    in her actions. She didn't kill him, he killed himself.
    The designation that he killed himself doesn't hurt
    the terrorist but it helps the guard. The designation
    is a good move by the authorities (I've not had it verified,
    BTW).
     
  8. UnchartedSpirit

    UnchartedSpirit New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,176
    Likes Received:
    0
    I'm going to until all of you here are gone from mine and everyone else's memories otherwise I'll never get any school work done!
     
  9. Chessic

    Chessic New Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2007
    Messages:
    426
    Likes Received:
    0

    Last report I read, released this evening, said the shooter got off 26 shots from his rifle and 1 shot form his pistol. The guard fired 10 rounds. Security was beefed up because of the shooting earlier in the day. A good plain-clothed guard would place him/herself in the most strategically advantageous spot in case something like this happened.
     
  10. corndogggy

    corndogggy Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2006
    Messages:
    1,108
    Likes Received:
    4
    Faith:
    Baptist
    ...and yet he only hit 4 people there, with just 2 of them being fatal, even with 10,000 people around and 27 shots going off? Somebody didn't know how to shoot if that's the case. I don't see how in the world he only hit four people with that many shots right when church was letting out. With that many people, you could just close your eyes and start shooting and hit more people than that. Plus, with it being a high powered rifle, you'd actually have to aim with the thing, and witnesses said he was obvioiusly holding the rifle as if he knew what he was doing. Just very, very strange.

    I mean, I'm a deer hunter, I hunt with a high powered 30/06, and for the past 20 years, except for 5 in my mid 20's, I've killed about 2 deer a year, except for a few when I only got one. So, I've killed about 27 deer. The thing is though, every one of them only took one shot. Some were even over 200 yards away, one was even mid-air while jumping a fence, and I still just needed one shot for a kill. So, in my entire life, I shot the same amount of times at something living, but I got 27 kills, and he only got 2, even though there were people all over the place? It's just an absolute miracle, and nobody seems to be acknowledging that.
     
    #50 corndogggy, Dec 13, 2007
    Last edited by a moderator: Dec 13, 2007
  11. Chessic

    Chessic New Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2007
    Messages:
    426
    Likes Received:
    0
    My understanding is it was after services, and most of the people had left. Some where still picking up their children from youth programs. The two daughters and father were all shot in the parking lot, so there was a heads up with gunshot noise and screaming, most likely, and people ran for cover. With at least two armed guards (that we know of) facing him, the shooter may have found himself pinned down and taken cover. All these things would make it much harder for him to hit people. The vet that wanted to borrow the gun from the guard stated that he started to yell and the shooter and mock him, then the shooter would turn and fire at him. Then the vet would take cover; he did get hit at least once in the arm I believe, though. But the point is, this is a stalling tactic that could have also reduced the casualties until Ms. Heroine stepped in and charged the shooter in a hail of gunfire, apparently hitting him once and prompting his suicide.

    I am not one to discount the possibilities, but I'm not seeing the evidence of a conspiracy here so far.

    But I'll agree with you that it was a miracle. God, in His mercy, kept many more people from getting hurt or killed. One report said the man owned an AK-47 and yet used a different rifle for the attack. I can only imagine what the death toll would have been if he'd opened up with the AK, especially if it were fully automatic.
     
    #51 Chessic, Dec 13, 2007
    Last edited by a moderator: Dec 13, 2007
  12. corndogggy

    corndogggy Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2006
    Messages:
    1,108
    Likes Received:
    4
    Faith:
    Baptist
    On either cnn.com or msnbc.com, the coroner's report said he was hit "multiple times" by the guard.


    Maybe not necessarily a conspiracy, several things were just awful coincidental. It's mainly just strange that the same guard who shot the attacker was the same guard who recommended to beef up security the day before due to the other attacks, and it was the same exact attacker from that day's attacks. What's the chances of that?
     
  13. rbell

    rbell Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2006
    Messages:
    11,103
    Likes Received:
    0
    We're not really thinking there was a conspiracy, though...are we?
     
  14. corndogggy

    corndogggy Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2006
    Messages:
    1,108
    Likes Received:
    4
    Faith:
    Baptist
    From what I can tell in the latest news stories, he was shot "several times", there were still 7,000 people on campus, and he was carrying about 1,000 rounds. Pretty crazy.
     
  15. LadyEagle

    LadyEagle <b>Moderator</b> <img src =/israel.gif>

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2002
    Messages:
    22,028
    Likes Received:
    1
    Thread closing warning: This thread will be closed no sooner than 11:00 p.m. ET by one of the moderators.

    Lady Eagle
     
  16. EdSutton

    EdSutton New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2006
    Messages:
    8,755
    Likes Received:
    0
    Frankly, this post is 'sick', IMO. In fact, I suggest it one of the sickest posts I've seen in my two years on the BB.

    My mind cannot conceive of any Christian praying for such a terrorist act, any more that it can conceive of supposedly "pro-life" types blowing up 'abortion clinics' and killing people there, somehow. And we've seen that happen, as well.

    As Dr. Bob sarcastically put it in a thread he recently closed, "I'm sure the Lord is pleased with his children" in such behavior.

    Ed
     
  17. EdSutton

    EdSutton New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2006
    Messages:
    8,755
    Likes Received:
    0
    Amen, Brother Ed Edwards.

    Ed
     
  18. EdSutton

    EdSutton New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2006
    Messages:
    8,755
    Likes Received:
    0
    Amen, Brother or Sister Chessic.

    Ed
     
  19. EdSutton

    EdSutton New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2006
    Messages:
    8,755
    Likes Received:
    0
    Huh? Something is weird, here, even if I can't put my finger on it, exactly! It is one thing to disagree with 'active resistance' that may have a violent end, and promote 'passivism'. This seems to be something else, however, I really hope it is merely bad 'wording', in the language used.

    Ed
     
  20. EdSutton

    EdSutton New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2006
    Messages:
    8,755
    Likes Received:
    0
    rbell, you know some folks never saw a conspiracy they didn't like!

    Ed
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...