Hillary speaks Truth!

[Zaac]

Then Obama would not meet your criteria either.

Sure wouldn't. Good thing that I've never voted for him.[emoji106]

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[Salty]

... Have you ever asked yourself why the German middle class supported the NAZI party and continued to support them throughout the war?...

Could it be that if they did not support Hitler, they would have been executed?

 

[Zaac]

Did we do any better by a electing a Southern Baptist by the name of Bill Clinton?

Do any better how? Economically? Spiritually? What?

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[HankD]

Hank, there is no moral equivalency. There is nothing worse than rejecting Jesus Christ.

And it's not an accusation. If a person says he doesn't ask God for forgiveness, he's rejected Christ.

The same narcissism that he has portrayed in every other aspect of his life is the same he displays about God.

And it's his narcissism and his continued display of all things ungodly of which he brags that says that the 70 year old , self-made, billionaire maker of his own empire man has not changed because like with asking God for forgiveness, he doesn't see a need.

So you go ahead and doubt that he rejects Christ. I'm a firm believer that of you've had an encounter with the Creator of all things, there will be some change.



You don't come to faith in Christ without a conviction of sin.



Why? The average person you meet on the street treks you the sane thing that Trump has and says and does what he continues to do, bragadociously, and you'd proclaim that saying that person rejecting Christ is an overreach?[emoji57] I think it's an incredible overreach how Christians keep trying to excuse this man's wickedness instead of just calling it what it is.



Again, nothing but a case of idolatry because you obviously think supporting abortion is worse than rejecting Jesus Christ.

There's no equivalency to be made.



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All I can say about DT according to the scripture and his deeds is that he is a sinner as am I.
He does not seem to be saved but who am I to make that final judgement?

But the same thing can be said of Hillary.

So we have come full circle.

In my lifetime I have no doubt voted for individuals who were not saved however that does not seem to be the criteria of the bible for the qualification of national leaders.

Yes I will answer to God for voting against one who openly pronounces that babies can legally be killed in their mothers womb.

HankD

 

[Zaac]

All I can say about DT according to the scripture and his deeds is that he is a sinner as am I.
He does not seem to be saved but who am I to make that final judgement?

Acknowledging that someone doesn't know Christ is not a final judgment

But the same thing can be said of Hillary.

So we have come full circle.

Sure it could other than the fact that she has spoken of her belief in Christ and her faith.

I think because her last name is Clinton and there's a D after it, that Christians don't give her nearly the benefit of the doubt that they give to a man who says he doesn't ask God for forgiveness.

In my lifetime I have no doubt voted for individuals who were not saved however that does not seem to be the criteria of the bible for the qualification of national leaders.

I'm talking about the standard to which Christians should support. The lot of you seem to tHink that where a candidate stands on abortion is more important than whether our not the candidate rejects or accepts Christ.

It's idolatry.

Yes I will answer to God for voting against one who openly pronounces that babies can legally be killed in their mothers womb.

And yes Christians will get to answer to Him for the idolatry too. God's judgment against the church in the US just as He did against Israel is why there will be 8 years of Hillary Clinton.

There is no justification for the obvious idolatry.





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[Lewis]

I really have no interest in what Hollywood Elites opinions are but apparently you do. My conclusions are drawn by taking a look at tactics used by Hitler & his own political party to get into power & stay there. I also have close relatives who are German and experienced life in and out of the Fatherland 1st hand who shared their experiences with me. Have you ever asked yourself why the German middle class supported the NAZI party and continued to support them throughout the war? I have & Ive asked that question to people who have both lived it and I have researched it by readied up on it. BTW, I have a college degree & I continue to go back for more advanced classes.

Well I'm proud of you. Seriously.
But so many people these days conflate nationalism and NAZI'ism. And just automatically assume they are the same.

Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, were all nationalistic, and no one accused them of being Hitler.

Hitler wrote in the 1930's, "How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the Jew." And he meant it. Trump has said nothing at all like this and yet people now accuse him of being a NAZI.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Could it be that if they did not support Hitler, they would have been executed?

no they actually loved him. Got them jobs, got their economy moving, got them to have a sense of pride and a belief they could dominate Europe.

If you were to have a political leader that provided the country incredible economic growth, stability etc and you were reaping the benefits.....

Of course that came at a price later on. Same thing in Italy........Mussolini improved their quality of life (for a time).

 

[Salty]

Let me give you one example - Mrs Muller was my Secretary in Germany (81-83) she toldme that as a child - her and her mom would listen to the BBC - but when they did, they put a very heavy blanket over the radio-and keep it low - because if the German guards were to hear the BBC - they would come in and shoot without questions.
"I'm sure that Mrs Muller and her mom were not the only ones who did this.