Hip hop church

[tenor]

What music is satan making today, and what record label does he record with? Does he prefer one instrument over another, like electric guitars over acoustic? And how do you know so much about satan's music and his preferences?

I'll try to avoid this label, unless of course the sound has a great groove. Drums must be prominent, or course. We know where that comes from.

 

[rbell]

So then we tell people "Don't come to my church, we're not like you"? We don't dance and hop around, so just find yourself a church more in line with your culture.

No, of course not, and you know that's not where I was going.

But your church does reflect your culture. A rural Nebraska church will sound and look different than an inner-city Philadelphia church.

Will there be common elements? Of course. But dress, speech, songs (styles and songs), the cadence, length, and design of the sermon, etc., will be different.

Common elements (we would hope): God-honoring. The Word preached. Encouragement. Confession. Love. You get the picture.

 

[ShotGunWillie]

What music is satan making today, and what record label does he record with? Does he prefer one instrument over another, like electric guitars over acoustic? And how do you know so much about satan's music and his preferences?

I am certain he likes vareity. Isaiah 14:9-14 and Ezekiel 28:11-19, state that satan was the "annointed cherub" and was the highest and most beautiful of all of the other angels, he was also a talented musician. He played tabrets, pipes, harps, and viols. I imagine to this day he is still making music, inspiring songs, co-writting popular hits today that are sang and played by both secular and "christian" groups.

 

[Amy.G]

There is nothing to appologize for! If the statement offended you then it was most likely the truth convicting your heart.

The other cults that continue to use the KJV add to scripture or completely misinterpret scripture based on their bend, no matter what translation they use.

And just what truth is the Spirit convicting me of? Rufus said people who use other versions than the KJV are more lascivious. Is that the truth I am being convicted of?

 

[CheeseCrackerKidd]

You do not have one verse of scriptural foundtion for that statement. Please provide your scripture references. When you are unable to, please kindly recant you statement.

KJV Isaiah 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

Reading this verse along with the context of preceding verses, it is quite evident that God disliked the music played on the string instrument mentioned; the viol.

 

[rbell]

I am certain he likes vareity. Isaiah 14:9-14 and Ezekiel 28:11-19, state that satan was the "annointed cherub" and was the highest and most beautiful of all of the other angels, he was also a talented musician. He played tabrets, pipes, harps, and viols. I imagine to this day he is still making music, inspiring songs, co-writting popular hits today that are sang and played by both secular and "christian" groups.

If you don't mind, please list some Christian groups that you are 100% certain that Satan co-wrote music with.

Since you were so certain in your comments, I figured you probably could produce that list very quickly. That will save us a lot of time.

Also, please list the following:

• Instruments that are evil:
• Time signatures that are evil (don't bother listing 5/4; we all know that one is :laugh: ):
• Evil chords:
• Evil drum fills:
• Evil balance between melody, harmony, and rhythm (which, by the way, was originally enumerated upon by a pagan greek philosopher, not Bill Gothard):
• Tempo ranges that are evil in and of themselves:
• Melodic ranges or intervals that are evil:

Thanks! :thumbs:

 

[Steven2006]

Nobody addressed my earlier point about churches in other countries. I have seen videos of mission churches, that had much different styles of music, where if sung here would sound unorodox to say the least. They still seemed to be very Godly Churches, just adapted towards their culture. Now is that wrong? I mean if there is just one biblical standard, as many have suggested, it wouldn't be confined to borders? How would you condone mission started Churches allowing for local culture to influence the service? Do you take that stand when a missionary visits your Church? If not are you not being hypocritical?

 

[ccrobinson]

KJV Isaiah 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

Reading this verse along with the context of preceding verses, it is quite evident that God disliked the music played on the string instrument mentioned; the viol.

The word is translated noise, not music. Since noise and music are not the same things, I wonder what was really meant.

What if somebody played "Amazing Grace" on the viol? Would that be sinful?

 

[npetreley]

Reading this verse along with the context of preceding verses, it is quite evident that God disliked the music played on the string instrument mentioned; the viol.

Well, I can't argue with that. For example, I'd be the first to admit there's too much violins on TV.

 

[CheeseCrackerKidd]

There are certain songs and music that God will not hear.

Another example:

KJV Amos 5:23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.

 

[tenor]

Nobody addressed my earlier point about churches in other countries. I have seen videos of mission churches, that had much different styles of music, where if sung here would sound unorodox to say the least. They still seemed to be very Godly Churches, just adapted towards their culture. Now is that wrong? I mean if there is just one biblical standard, as many have suggested, it wouldn't be confined to borders? How would you condone mission started Churches allowing for local culture to influence the service? Do you take that stand when a missionary visits your Church? If not are you not being hypocritical?

I concur, Worship style (not content) is cultural.

 

[rbell]

Well, I can't argue with that. For example, I'd be the first to admit there's too much violins on TV.

Actually, too much sax and violins.

 

[Steven2006]

KJV Isaiah 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

Reading this verse along with the context of preceding verses, it is quite evident that God disliked the music played on the string instrument mentioned; the viol.

Good thing hip hop music doesn't use violins then.

 

[CheeseCrackerKidd]

One should not change their worship to accomodate man or man's definition of worship.

One should change their worship to reflect what God desires.

 

[tenor]

There are certain songs and music that God will not hear.

Another example:

KJV Amos 5:23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.

The context is the heart of the performer/worshiper not the style of the music. Does this then make all music played on viols evil? Then that lets out the violin, viola, cello and double bass. I never realized they were satanic instruments.

Is ALL singing evil? or just some singing styles. If so, I could possibly agree about singing out of tune (most quartets and "family gospel groups" I've heard) being "noise." (Ha, ha)

 

[ccrobinson]

There are certain songs and music that God will not hear.

Another example:

KJV Amos 5:23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.

Is God really speaking against viols, or is he speaking against something else?

Amos 5:12 - For I know your manifold transgressions, and your mighty sins: they afflict the just, they take a bribe, and they turn aside the poor in the gate from their right.

I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies. Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.

This is not proof text against viols, but against transgressions, sins and injustices.

 

[Bro. Williams]

My, my, what a bunch of feathers I see floating around here... yet I do not think there is as much to be ruffled about as we are.

First, to the OP. Most of you have probably realized I am what most would call a legalist. That is fine. I may shock you with my answer to the OP though.

Philippians 1:15-18 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

Note to those looking to crucify a brother: I am not saying all are doing it out of contention per se, this is just a good passage to show that Paul was aware of some preaching Christ out of contention and rejoiced that Christ was being preached.

Brethren, I am not for a hip-hop church or anything of the sort, but I will rejoice if the gospel is being preached.

Furthermore, I wish to state that I vehemently disagagree with the supposed "mistakes" in translation in the KJV posts. This is not a KJV thread, and if it became one it would be closed shortly, let us not make it such a thread. Let us not resort to claiming a misinterpretation of a passage or scripture because someone doesn't like how it is rendered in the KJV. The KJVO opponenets drew first blood here (yes, sometimes Christianity becomes a "civil" war), and as a KJVO myself, I will bandage my own arm without shooting back and ask you to stay in line and we will try to do the same.

 

[ShotGunWillie]

If you don't mind, please list some Christian groups that you are 100% certain that Satan co-wrote music with.

Since you were so certain in your comments, I figured you probably could produce that list very quickly. That will save us a lot of time.

Also, please list the following:

Instruments that are evil:
Time signatures that are evil (don't bother listing 5/4; we all know that one is ):
Evil chords:
Evil drum fills:
Evil balance between melody, harmony, and rhythm (which, by the way, was originally enumerated upon by a pagan greek philosopher, not Bill Gothard):
Tempo ranges that are evil in and of themselves:
Melodic ranges or intervals that are evil:
Thanks!

I can go through a list off the top of my head, if you would like. But I will ask you this before I do so, do you think satan is not in "christian music" industry. Do you think that everyone who plays a role in the producing of cds or concert management are Christians. Do you think every Christian artist on stage is actually a Christian? Do you believe that just because they make a Christian CD or sing a couple of songs about God, that they are saved? Or do you think that they couldn't hack it in the secular realm, so they took their "gift" to the Christians, because it is so much easier to "fool" them and they all jump on the hottest new fad that is labeled "Christian".

 

[Steven2006]

My, my, what a bunch of feathers I see floating around here... yet I do not think there is as much to be ruffled about as we are.

First, to the OP. Most of you have probably realized I am what most would call a legalist. That is fine. I may shock you with my answer to the OP though.

Philippians 1:15-18 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

Note to those looking to crucify a brother: I am not saying all are doing it out of contention per se, this is just a good passage to show that Paul was aware of some preaching Christ out of contention and rejoiced that Christ was being preached.

Brethren, I am not for a hip-hop church or anything of the sort, but I will rejoice if the gospel is being preached.

I agree with you, but I find it ironic when I used that exact same verse towards your stance about RW, you had none of it.

 

[ccrobinson]

I can go through a list off the top of my head, if you would like.

Please do so.

But I will ask you this before I do so, do you think satan is not in "christian music" industry. Do you think that everyone who plays a role in the producing of cds or concert management are Christians. Do you think every Christian artist on stage is actually a Christian? Do you believe that just because they make a Christian CD or sing a couple of songs about God, that they are saved? Or do you think that they couldn't hack it in the secular realm, so they took their "gift" to the Christians, because it is so much easier to "fool" them and they all jump on the hottest new fad that is labeled "Christian".

All of these questions are fine, but I fail to see what they have to do with the question of which time signatures, key signatures, melodies, chords, notes, etc. are inherently evil.