Hip hop church

[webdog]

Music itself does not manifest evil? Music in and of itself does not represent evil? Music itself in some forms and fashions are not satanic in message and meaning, even without lyrics?

Now you are getting it! Music in itself is AMORAL.

 

[David Lamb]

"Cultural neutrality" is not possible.

An inner-city church is not going to look like a rural Alabama congregation. Won't sound like them either.

The important thing is whether or not God is being honored.

I don't know much about US geography, but I am sure what you say is true. However, the OP was not about rural and urban settings, but about the idea of starting another church in the same town:

Someone in my town came up with the idea to start a "hip hop church'.​

 

[webdog]

SGW,

it can be used for evil... that is evident. It is evil for people who claim to know God's will to take a stand for things that God's Word condemns... but they do it all the time.

...that would also make it evil to take a stand where God and the Bible don't.

 

[J.D.]

You don't have to tell them anything, they will know it, and let me say that for the most part, they will respect the rules, and respect the church, and probably listen to the message with more respect. Those who are God's, will come back, again and again, still wearing their hiphop clothes, still walking their hiphop walk, and still talking their hiphop talk, and guess what, in due time, which is God's time, things will happen.

And nobody had to compromise anything.

Yes, I agree. That's what I was trying to say but in a reverse direction. I used to be in a church with a large bus ministry. People of all sorts of cultural backgrounds would come to church. Never, not even once, did any of them complain about not having services tailored to their particular subculture. In fact, for the most part, they appreciated attending a church where the Gospel was clearly preached instead of socialist agendas.

If a large crowd is the objective, why not just offer free beer and you'll pack the place as long as you advertise it.

If people want a show, they can go to the theatre. Why must church be a show with hip hop, rock, sex talk, youth take-overs, dancing, celebrities, special days, honor the mayor, see the fire truck, lion and tigers under the big tent circus?

Church is for preaching, praying, and fellowship, and all for regenerated believers, not for the world.

 

[ShotGunWillie]

Now you are getting it! Music in itself is AMORAL.

If music itself has no message, then explain to me how you can carry "Christian Rock" cds to foreign lands and without hearing the message they recognize that the rhythm and music itself is demonic?

Music itself has a meaning, satan knows all to well about music, he use to play some instruments for God, now what type of music do you think he creates. Perhaps a little Hip Hop and Heavy Metal. Maybe some Christian Contemporary from time to time.

 

[webdog]

NO, the term is definitely watered down... to a weaker message.

Chapter and verse? The Bible mentions some being able to take milk, and then moving on to meat...but I don't recall the "water" message.

The preacher who will allow hip-hop will water down his message so as not to offend a hip-hopper.

How in the world do you know this? This is nothing but judgemental garbage.

He will not preach that the indecent way they wear their clothes is against what the Bible teaches for fear of losing them from the congregation.

How do you know?

He will not preach a message to come out of the worldly ways and values and be separate unto the Lord for fear of them leaving the congregation and his numbers looking bad.

How do you know. And if he does?

He will not preach the full counsel of God but will tickle their ears and tell them what they want to hear.

How do you know? Tickling of ears goes both ways, btw.

His may think they are fully doing God's Will, but are in all actually, a lukewarm church.

You have no clue what God's will in in their church, so don't be His spokesperson. Also, learn what a "lukewarm" church really means.

 

[webdog]

If music itself has no message, then explain to me how you can carry "Christian Rock" cds to foreign lands and without hearing the message they recognize that the rhythm and music itself is demonic?

Source...or was this published in last month's Legalist Weekly?

Music itself has a meaning, satan knows all to well about music, he use to play some instruments for God, now what type of music do you think he creates. Perhaps a little Hip Hop and Heavy Metal. Maybe some Christian Contemporary from time to time.

This was the funniest thing I've read on here in a long time! Now satan is a musician who creates instruments? HAHAHAHA....

 

[ShotGunWillie]

You have no clue what God's will in in their church, so don't be His spokesperson. Also, learn what a "lukewarm" church really means

Who is His spokesperson? and what does "lukewarm" church really mean?

 

[webdog]

Who is His spokesperson? and what does "lukewarm" church really mean?

If you have to ask this, may I suggest studying the Bible more?

 

[ShotGunWillie]

This was the funniest thing I've read on here in a long time! Now satan is a musician who creates instruments? HAHAHAHA....

I never said he created instruments (edited to clarify statement). And satan did play music for God, as noted in the Old Testament (you know, the book prior to the New Testament, or do you not acknowledge its signifcance). He played several instruments, or he just held on to them because they looked nice in his hands.

 

[webdog]

I never said he create instruments and satan played music for God, as noted in the Old Testament (you know, the book prior to the New Testament, or do you not acknowledge its signifcance). He played several instruments, or he just held on to them because they looked nice in his hands.

Oh really?......

Music itself has a meaning, satan knows all to well about music, he use to play some instruments for God, now what type of music do you think he creates. Perhaps a little Hip Hop and Heavy Metal. Maybe some Christian Contemporary from time to time.

 

[Steven2006]

Abstain from all appearance of evil. 1Th 5:22

I like how the NASB translates this verse. I think it does a better job at conveying the real meaning of the verse.


"Abstain from ever form of evil." 1 Th 5:22

Basically whenever evil appears, in any form we should flee from it. This is the real meassage of that verse.

 

[webdog]

I like how the NASB translates this verse. I think it does a better job at conveying the real meaning of the verse.


"Abstain from ever form of evil." 1 Th 5:22

Basically whenever evil appears, in any form we should flee from it. This is the real meassage of that verse.

Steven wins the prize!:applause: :thumbs:

 

[ShotGunWillie]

Oh really?......

Oh really, what?....

Steven wins the prize!

I am sure he does

 

[npetreley]

Steven wins the prize!:applause: :thumbs:

Hey, webdog. I've pointed out this same error several times and you never cheered me. :tear:

 

[Steven2006]

Hey, webdog. I've pointed out this same error several times and you never cheered me. :tear:

You have won so many other prizes, that he threw me a bone. :laugh:

 

[npetreley]

You have won so many other prizes, that he through me a bone. :laugh:

LOL!!!! :laugh:

I know there are exceptions, but I noticed that a number of the KJV folks on here tend to be legalistic. I wonder if they're legalistic because they misunderstand things like this in the KJV, or if they misunderstand things like this in the KJV because they're legalistic?

.

 

[CheeseCrackerKidd]

4boys4joys,

I listened to the message Music Matters by Cary Schmidt. Excellent sermon!

Many great points about Music and its influence on society.

 

[christianyouth]

I think the problem we are seeing here again (as usual in these kinds of discussions) is that people don't have much of a grasp on biblical worship and are driven by what they like and what they feel. I think that is dangerous.

Here we have someone saying "I like what I like and if you don't like it, then that is your problem." How is that compatible with the mind of Christ, love for the brothers in Christ, and the word of God? Can you find any scriptural justification for that? I can't. It's a dangerous place to be in.

Amen, Pastor Larry. This was a great post! :thumbs:

 

[EdSutton]

I know there are exceptions, but I noticed that a number of the KJV folks on here tend to be legalistic. I wonder if they're legalistic because they misunderstand things like this in the KJV, or if they misunderstand things like this in the KJV because they're legalistic?

The answer is "Yes!"

Ed