Hip-Hop Prayer Book?

And this would be the same definition of a singing group who goes out and witnesses? Just wondering, if their hearts are fixed on Jesus, how do you say their work is of the devil?

 

TaterTot, I think he was directing that more towards me.

You see, I think he's gotten on his high horse again and he is not looking for a dicussion, he is only looking to hit with his opinions and then cut and run.

He didn't bother to read or even ask questions, if he failed to understand what I meant.

As always, he is set in his ways.

What I meant by my post was that simple fact that just because something is worldly doesn't mean that the Holy Spirit can't intervene and bring the person around to Christ.

Some people think that handing out tracts is wrong. I see it as a way of breaking the ice and getting people interested in knowing more.

I believe that is just what this Hip Hop Prayer Book does. It opens a door for people to want to know God more. To me, that is better than "hopeing" they find Christ one their own.

Not everyone is raised in a Christian home.
Not everyone was forced to go to church as a kid until they knew God
Some people started going to church for the "Fun" things the churches do for the youth groups, which is NO different than this prayer book, in my opinion, and yet, the kids that went to church for the "fun" things, as they went there to have fun, they also learn about God and Jesus' saving grace. The Holy spirit worked in their hearts while they were having fun.

This Prayer book is a tool just like a youth day at church or an outing to the zoo lead by the church or any number of worldly things we do with the youth of the church.


Jamie

 

then again SFIC - you havn't proved that

the music you listen to VS. hip-hop.

you havn't proved that hip-hop is worldly.

"because it appeals to your flesh"

yah. so you dont think the music you listen to appeals to your flesh? bah. try another one.

because it appeals to the flesh. you havn't proved that it appeals to my flesh. sure havn't.

because its got rhythm, beat, etc....

oh forget it. some people's kids...

 

This is where you and I disagree, and the root of our disagreement is theological in nature, which leads to a difference in methodology. I don't believe it was a hot dog that drew you to Church and subsequently to God. I believe it was the grace of God. How does this effect our methodology? Well, since you believe that worldly entertainment and satisfaction is what is going to draw the lost into Church and ultimately lead them to Christ, you are constantly looking for the latest fad and clinging to worldly methods to introduce spiritual issues. This is, at best, a confusing and mixed message. Since I believe it is the grace of God which draws the lost to Church and ultimately to Christ, I am not looking to the latest worldly fad, but rather, to the grace of God to draw them in. I, therefore, continue to proclaim the Word of God and leave it to God to save his elect.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Joseph, I would never attempt to speak for Tater, but I don't think she meant that a "hot dog" drew her to the church, but that the Holy Spirit used a hot dog event to get her to church.

 

What is this? No future for the Church and the world will become more hopeless? Are you serious? How hopeless is the world already without Jesus? They are completely and utterly lost already and their only hope is the grace of God. What is it that Christ will build his Church on? The youth? Believing that the children are our future may go well in Whitney Houston songs and work for band programs in the public school, but to say that they are the future of the Church and everything rests on them is a very humanistic approach to the Church. The foundation of the Church is Christ and his Word. Don't you believe that God will preserve his Church and his Word with or without the youth? This kind of man centered thinking is really puzzling to my mind when I try to reconcile it with the Bible. We did not build the Church and we will not be the ones who will preserve it like an army recruiter. God built it and will preserve it by his sovereign will.

Joseph Botwinick

 

If one preaches the unadulterated Gospel, it is ridicilous to think that it will be irellevant and not penetrate the lost. God's Word does not return void. If you think you need to add to the Word of God to make it relevant, I feel sorry for you.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Tater Tot, sure you are not Patty? Remember the theme song about a hot dog making her lose control?

 

Exactly, and you can't come to the lost on your level. You have to meet them on their level then help them grow to GODS level. You ever see a starving man refuse to eat because of the table clothe? So why are we trying to serve them fancy meals. Bring them something they can digest. Remember, they need milk before meat!

 

What good would it do to preach the best sermon of your life if you preach it in spanish? It may have been good but it did not penetrate! Make your message real in their life. Make it relevant to their world and daily living and you will have folks hungering for more.

 

Actually, they need to be regenerated by the grace of God before they can even accept the milk. There is no hope whatsoever for the lost except the grace of God. I am not the one who is going to bring them to God's level so they can accept him. They will never choose Christ on their own accord without the powerful hand of God regenerating them. Salvation is of God, not man.

Joseph Botwinick

 

More man centered reasoning. If God wished to use my preaching in the wrong language to save his elect, he will do it. Look what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 2:1-5. The salvation of the elect is not about us, but rather about God and his grace. I am on my way to Church. Talk to you later.:wavey:

Joseph Botwinick

 

So, If God wanted to use this Hip Hop Prayer book to save his elect, he could do that also correct?


Jamie

 

Absolutely. But, I am not going to resort to that just because it is a pragmatic humanistic approach that I think is the only hope for reaching certain lost folks. And the fact that God used those with bad doctrine or wrong ideas to accomplish his will is not an endorsement for the Church as a whole to do likewise. Even though Paul praises God for the preaching of those with false motives, this is in no way an endorsement as being acceptable:

Phillipians 1:15-18

I am not saying that LeBuick is preaching from false motives, but I do think we need to beware of man centered theology which makes man responsible for the salvation of others.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Sorry! Ain't buying it!

Folks, This Rap stuff was created by the Negro people,
I do not like that kind of music, (So what!! [DHK])

Personally, I don't care for the music either. But there is a way to express yourself without offence to others.
DHK

 

/Jamie's mouth is left wide open in disbelief....

You may disagree with the music and the notion is can be used by the Holy Spirit, but I don't think THAT kind of post was called for or needed!

Proper term or not, me being from the South, if you tried to Witness to anyone with that type of tone, and language, you wouldn't get far.

Jamie

 

I am one who thinks it is more important to be relevant to God and bring them the Gospel in a way that is true and honoring to God. If they are of the elect, he will open the eyes of their heart and they will understand and accept the Gospel. Bottom line? My job is to proclaim the Word of God. It is up to God to draw his elect to him.

Joseph Botwinick