Hip-Hop Prayer Book?

This message is a rebuke for The Win Dork:

But, what is even more important than that is the fact that your language, and the bitter way that you expressed youself is not honoring to God. It brings no honor to God to throw racial slurs and use language that you know is hateful. All it does is satisfy your sinful flesh.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Hey, looks like you're back. I pray service went well.

How can they hear without a preacher? The preacher is an important part of the process. GOD chose the foolishness of preaching. You know the problem with the guy standing on the corner waving his Bible? No one knows what he's talking about and those who do already know the Lord.

These youth have accepted Christ and are in the Church so I believe they are on milk.

You are describing normal hip hop, not christian hip hop. I'm not much on county western but I thank GOD for Randy Travis finding Christ and pray he brings many who followed him before over to the Lords side.

 

:thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: Great post, how did we forget that Jesus din't hang with the Church folks. He was condemened for haging with the sinners.

 

Ann,

Yes. The elect will be drawn to Christ one way or the other. But, God's Word tells us that he uses the preaching of the Gospel to bring his elect to himself. Certainly, God has used those who taught bad doctrine and for wrong intentions for his will, but, as I said before, that is not in any way meant to be an endorsement of that for the Church to embrace. Yes, Jesus did, by his sovereign will, meet the physical needs of many. And yes, Jesus did tell us to love others and to help them out. Perhaps, through that love, he is opening their hearts to the truth. On the other hand, perhaps he is hardening their hearts. Have you ever tried to help someone and yet, in the face of all that love, they continually spit in your face and run further and further from the Lord? I know God has. The bottom line with me is that I don't do good to others hoping this will be the magic button to push so that they will accept Jesus. I do it out of love and obedience to Christ and God is the one who draws his elect to himself.

Joseph Botwinick

 

How do you plan to get them in the building so you can bring them the Gospel in a way that is true and honoring to God. We are not using this as a foundation just like you don't teach sunday school from a hymn book.

 

And how do you know this? How do you know that God is not going to pearce the heart of a lost man through the preaching of a street preacher (although, that is not really my style and think there is a little bit of a show happening there as well) and bring understanding to them. I think you put too much emphasis on what man does and not enough on what God does? That is my major beef with you.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Who says my job is to get them into a building? I can bring them the Gospel in a way that is honoring to God by simply proclaiming the truth to them.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Because I was one as a young preacher and found that method to have little impact. I'm not disgarding or doubting GOD, just sharing personal experience.

 

The WinDork said:
If them Kids wanna get saved, let them Learn some Godly music....................In a HYMN BOOK!

Good grief. Just because music doesnt come from a hymnbook doesnt mean its not Godly. Hymn doesnt automatically equal God's choice to pierce hearts. And lots of hymns are so wrong doctrinally (please dont get me started, lol)

 

Tator,
How about "I'll fly away......"

 

As with anything, results may vary with different individuals. The question is, inevitably, why it didn't work for you while it might for others. Does it have something to do with you, or does it have more to do with God? Were you doing something wrong? Perhaps. Maybe not. Without knowing the details and being able to compare it with what the Bible says, how can we know. Is it possible that, like Isaiah, you may have been doing exactly what God had called for you to do, and yet still saw little to no response to the message. Think about the call of Isaiah in Isaiah 6. The point is, if you are doing what God has commanded you to do in his Word, it ought not be of concern to you how many come. That is in the hands of God.

Joseph Botwinick

 

JB said :
I don't believe it was a hot dog that drew you to Church and subsequently to God.
TT: nor do I. The Holy Spirit does the drawing and the working. The hot dog was a tool.

JB said:
How does this effect our methodology? Well, since you believe that worldly entertainment and satisfaction is what is going to draw the lost into Church and ultimately lead them to Christ, you are constantly looking for the latest fad and clinging to worldly methods to introduce spiritual issues.
TT says: Absolutely incorrect. You have no idea of my methods. And for the record, I believe that its the Holy Spirit that does the drawing, He is Sovereign and orchestrator of all things.

JB said:
Since I believe it is the grace of God which draws the lost to Church and ultimately to Christ,...
TT: the grace of God draws people to "church"? How do they know to go if they arent invited? The HS uses tools.

Joseph, you been around me long enough to know that I believe in the work of the Holy Spirit. I am very surprised that you say these accusatory things. There is no hint of worldliness in the way that I share what Christ has done for me. I dont read the Hip-Hop prayer book, lol, nor do I plan on it. And I dont even like hotdogs, lol. But Jesus met the needs of people where they were - at a well, on beggars corners, even in funeral processions. And Paul exhorts us as well by his own lifestyle to become all things to all people so that some will come to salvation. WHy didnt he say to just let the Holy Spirit draw them to Church? Why did he become like a Greek to the Greek and like Gentile to the Gentiles?According to Acts 15 some cultural accommodation is necessary.

 

Point made. I stand corrected on my comment.

I see you're loosining on your position. We've about reeled you over to our side :laugh: :wavey: :laugh: :thumbs:

 

I stand corrected and ask your forgiveness if I spoke without wisdom and accused you wrongly.

Joseph Botwinick

 

no problem, bother I do enjoy the discourses.

 

Wow, I had to find my lower jaw after reading this post. You blew me away. Now I know why Hubby needed to go for a PhD, he doesn't want to be accused of you knowing more than he. :thumbs:

All this from a Lady saved by a hotdog! Now there's what GOD can do :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

 

I really can't see this "Hip Hop Prayer Book" reaching anybody, because even if someone enjoys listening to Hip Hop music, I don't think they would enjoy reading Hip Hop.

As far as Rap and Hip Hop music goes, I personally can't stand it. But, I would rather my teenage son listen to Christian Hip Hop as opposed to "regular" Hip Hop any day.

I remember hearing Evangelist Jamey Ragle say one time, "If you don't think your kids are going to listen to music with a beat, you're crazy". I'd have to agree with him.