Hip-Hop Prayer Book?

LeBuick, you made me laugh out loud. Aint no chance of me coming even near where Dh is, lol. Many times when he is telling me about his egghead stuff, I just nod my head and smile, lol.

Hang around here long enough and we may have a hotdog roast and sing KumBaYah (oh, but that aint in the hymnal.)

 

Tater I always thought that pizza was your favorite!

After reading my earlier post, I couldn't beleive it sounded like it did.
If you are using the word "cross" synonimously with "gospel" we must never move from it.

But the image I have in my head is people kneeling at the cross forever, and never getting up to do the work.

I'm not into hip hop, but if it ministers to people, and people can worship God through it, then let the praise go to God.

There is only 1 Christian hip hop artist i like. Ray Buchanon.

Anyway, ignore my previos post. It didn't sound like what I meant to say.

 

oops double post!
all this talk about food makes me hungry!

 

I understood exactly where you were going with it TinyTim, but I have been around here long enough to know that you would never really mean to leave the cross, lol.

Pizza IS my favorite. Whens the pizza party???

 

In about a month at our VBS pool party..

Oh no.. mixed bathing among teens.... what blasphemy!!!

 

Lets get this rabbit back in its cage ( I have lots of personal real-life experience with this ) ....are you giving out Hip Hop prayer books at the VBS pool party?

 

I have loaned some of my hip hop music to the teens around here and haven't gotten them back yet. The teens in this part of the country likes... country style music, or P&W. Not much for hip-hop. Kinda makes me wonder what they did with my CDs. Maybe used them for frisbees!

OK, some of you will say that that is a better use for them anyway. Maybe!

 

You made my wife ask what I was doing I laughed so hard. :laugh: :wavey: :laugh:

 

Tater,

I don't think you are promoting an anything goes mentality to witnessing, but I think you have to be careful when quoting that Scripture as a justification for using certain methods of witnessing in order to be "relevant" to the culture. For example, how would you make yourself relevant to the culture of a prostitute or a murderer? Would you become one yourself? Heaven forbid, and no I don't think you would. But, I think we should really ask ourselves that if we are not willing to grasp onto one sin of the world's culture in order to be relevant, why would we be more willing to grasp hold of another? Please consider the following article written by Pastor Ascol:

All things to all men

Yes, one might say that the example of a prostitute and a murderer is quite extreme, certainly in the eyes of man. But, I wonder how extreme all sin is in the eyes of God. I might be to harsh in my judgment with this prayer book. I don't know. But, I hope that we are not going to become all things to all people and use this as an excuse to justify sin. I am not saying you are doing this, but I do think we need to be careful that we do not come across as advocating this to others. Yes, let us proclaim the Good News to the lost in a way that honors God. But, let us never lose our integrity while we do anything it takes for the sake of winning anyone to the Lord.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Tim,

I sort of sensed that you published that more out of frustration than anything else, and no, I truly don't believe that was your heart. I still thought it should be corrected. I am glad that you have clarified where you really do stand.

Joseph Botwinick

 

DUCK!!!

Dude, I know you didn't go there??? What's with questioning our spiritual integrity? No one said help a guy rob a bank while reading him scriptures...

 

Of course I went there because it is a concern that I have. I cannot think how many times I hear people use the justification of souls saved for doing things that are wrong and theologically in error. And then, they go into their normal routine of comparing and bragging about how many souls they have won for the Lord and ask how many you have won. I always answer none, because it is the Lord who won them. I did not say, that Tater was doing this. I am cautioning her to be careful with how we use this that others don't think we are advocating this error in interpretation. BTW, I find the word "dude" to be rather disrespectful and wish you would not address me in that manner. I realize that your intent was not to be offensive, but I wish you would not address me that way.

Thanks,

Joseph Botwinick

 

Joseph, I see your point. I am trying to grasp the "sin" part of it (the Hip Hop Prayer Book). From what I have seen, I didnt see a perversion, just more of a paraphrase. And maybe I am off here, but could someone clarify if this Hip Hop Prayer Book is considered a translation or a paraphrase?

 

I thought it was just someone's thoughts of what the scripture meant to them. I didn't realize that it was being promoted as scripture itself.

 

ok, Dudette, but for some reason I didn't think you were female.

You really should lighten up, it is possible to be so heavenly bound that you're no earthly good...

 

It is also possible to be so arrogant and immature that you forget about not offending your brother in Christ while you justify it. You might want to consider being a bit more serious and reverent about your commitment to Christ, and consider the feelings of your fellow brother in Christ above your own as long as it doesn't conflict with Scripture. I find it offensive to be addressed as dude. Now, are you going to continue to arrogantly ridicule me, and disobey Scripture by fanning the flames of offense? Or will you refrain from such behavior out of love and respect for your Lord and his Word? I hope the latter will be true of you.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I don't think it's being presented as scripture, it's being presented as an evangelism tool.



Here is the description from their site:

" A powerful evangelism tool, developed at Trinity Church of Morrisania in the birthplace of Hip Hop, the South Bronx, The Hip Hop Prayer Book offers a means to worship that will draw in the young and speak to those not generally spoken to by the Church. Containing daily prayers, psalms, a variety of services (including a Eucharist), and a selection of bible stories all designed with the enlivening power of Hip Hop in mind, and prefaces by two bishops of the Episcopal Church and a wealth of contextualizing materials, The Hip Hop Prayer Book is designed for in personal worship and by church leaders looking for ways in which to broaden the reach of their congregation."



Jamie

 

Joseph, with all due respect, you are one to talk about being offensive.

You question his commitment to Christ...and then complain about your "feelings"?

People who live in glass homes...

 

so its a pamphlet or a booklet type thing. Thanks for answering my (and TinyTim's) question, Jamie.

 

Jamie,

Thank you for this information. This certainly, for me, raises some good questions. For example, what is the purpose of worship? Is it to speak to mankind or to glorify God? What do you think?

Joseph Botwinick