Hispanic evangelicals argue biblical case for amnesty

[Jedi Knight]

HOUSTON – Several different Hispanic evangelicals leaders speaking at the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference in Houston this week argued a biblical basis for the Obama administration’s push to grant legal status to millions of illegal immigrants currently in the United States.
http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/hispanic-evangelicals-argue-biblical-case-for-amnesty/ "we believe it is hypocritical to separate families, to deport a mom or a dad and leave the children behind." Really? Jesus has a dim view of lawlessness.

 

[carpro]

Lame.

They can always take their children with them. :BangHead:

 

[Jedi Knight]

Lame.

They can always take their children with them. :BangHead:

They call them Anchor babies for a reason.

 

[Jerome]

Also speaking there was Barrett Duke, who shared the Southern Baptist position:

http://conservativeangle.com/hispanic-evangelicals-argue-biblical-case-for-amnesty/

“Southern Baptists share the concern for immigrants already among us,” he said. “Southern Baptists first ask if we can get some clear guidance from Scripture on the immigration question. This was important as well for me. I initially related to immigration reform like a lot of the people who are opposed to immigration reform, believing illegal immigrants have come to the United States violating U.S. laws, are staying here either by overstaying their visas or on fraudulent documents. My gut for a pure sense of justice was that all illegal immigrants should be deported.”

Duke explained his views changed after consulting the Bible.

“Leviticus 19:34 says, ‘But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself …” Duke said, citing the Old Testament.

“In Matthew 25:35, in the New Testament, Jesus says, ‘I was a stranger, and ye took me in.’ Whether you look at the Old Testament or the New Testament, you get the same message.”

 

[Jedi Knight]

Also speaking there was Barrett Duke, who shared the Southern Baptist position:

http://conservativeangle.com/hispanic-evangelicals-argue-biblical-case-for-amnesty/

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities; for there is no authority except from God, and those authorities that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists authority resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 1 Peter 2:13–16.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Really? Jesus has a dim view of lawlessness.

He has such a dim view of lawlessness that he associated with notorious sinners and then died for all, redeeming the guilty.

The call of Jesus is to mercy and redemption.

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities; for there is no authority except from God, and those authorities that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists authority resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 1 Peter 2:13–16.

You can be subject to the governing authorities and yet petition the government for mercy.

The U.S. has a long history of granting amnesty and opening its borders to those who have no other place to go.

 

[Jedi Knight]

He has such a dim view of lawlessness

You can be subject to the governing authorities and yet petition the government for mercy.

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Trying to have it both ways is confusion and God is not the author of that. If you are here unlawfully you are not being subjective.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Trying to have it both ways is confusion and God is not the author of that. If you are here unlawfully you are not being subjective.

I don't understand what you are trying to say. Moreover, the use of a directive by Paul about having order in worship appears to be a misuse of the scripture.

People end up in the U.S. unlawfully for many reasons. More often than you would expect, they are here because of threats to their lives or because they are trying to avoid getting pulled into drug gangs.

 

[righteousdude2]

HOUSTON – Several different Hispanic evangelicals leaders speaking at the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference in Houston this week argued a biblical basis for the Obama administration’s push to grant legal status to millions of illegal immigrants currently in the United States.
http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/hispanic-evangelicals-argue-biblical-case-for-amnesty/ "we believe it is hypocritical to separate families, to deport a mom or a dad and leave the children behind." Really? Jesus has a dim view of lawlessness.

Probably the same group that argue that God will be lenient when it comes to wrath and judgement.

 

[righteousdude2]

.... they are here because of threats to their lives or because they are trying to avoid getting pulled into drug gangs.

And it is better here? We have gangs, drugs, violence and murder. And truth be told, some of these illegals probably brought this lawless mindset with from the land they escaped. Seeing America a better place to do drug business and killing without as much resistance or competition. :laugh:

 

[Zaac]

He has such a dim view of lawlessness that he associated with notorious sinners and then died for all, redeeming the guilty.

The call of Jesus is to mercy and redemption.


You can be subject to the governing authorities and yet petition the government for mercy.

The U.S. has a long history of granting amnesty and opening its borders to those who have no other place to go.

Again, dead on point! :thumbs: But as you see, the love of Christ that leads to mercy is absent from many who claim to be followers of Christ.

This is why we're known for what we're against and not for loving people.

 

[Jedi Knight]

And it is better here? We have gangs, drugs, violence and murder. And truth be told, some of these illegals probably brought this lawless mindset with from the land they escaped. Seeing America a better place to do drug business and killing without as much resistance or competition. :laugh:

:thumbs: You be logical!

 

[Lewis]

Again, dead on point! :thumbs: But as you see, the love of Christ that leads to mercy is absent from many who claim to be followers of Christ.

This is why we're known for what we're against and not for loving people.

And yet it's ok for every other country in the world to control their borders and screen who enters their territory. Mexico's immigration laws are much tougher than those of the US (which are sketchily enforced at best), and foreigners attempting to enter there may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics”

Gotta love those double standards.

 

[Zaac]

And yet it's ok for every other country in the world to control their borders and screen who enters their territory.

I didn't say anything about the US or any other country controlling their borders. We haven't. But the folks are HERE now so why is it such a huge thing to expect Christians to show a little Christian love and kindness instead of political rancor?

Mexico's immigration laws are much tougher than those of the US (which are sketchily enforced at best), and foreigners attempting to enter there may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics”

So? Mexico is a country. I'm talking about the Body of Christ. I've said the same thing in discussions of capital punishment.

Folks who are calling themselves Christians continue to show themselves to be some of the meanest, nastiest, unmerciful, inhospitable people on the planet.

If ANYONE should understand mercy, we should. But we've allegianced ourselves to politics and political party ideology instead of to Christ.

We can make up every excuse in the world or quote whatever piece of Scripture we want. At the end of the day, it's a display of our lack of love and mercy. And that's a darn shame when we should be screaming mercy at the top of our lungs because we know how good Jesus has been to us.

Gotta love those double standards.

There's no double standard just like there are no contradictions in God's word.

You are trying to reconcile who we are supposed to be SPIRITUALLY with who the government has said it is. That's just crazy.

 

[Jedi Knight]

And yet it's ok for every other country in the world to control their borders and screen who enters their territory. Mexico's immigration laws are much tougher than those of the US (which are sketchily enforced at best), and foreigners attempting to enter there may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics”

Gotta love those double standards.

Some think Love means lawlessness like Zaac Sharpton who claims to be a follower of Christ.

 

[Zaac]

Some think Love means lawlessness like Zaac Sharpton who claims to be a follower of Christ.

And some think love means having a stank attitude about everyone except those who parade around in white sheets and pointy hats.

Maybe that and selfishness are what pass for Christianity in the realm of Jedis.

But in the real world, it's a display of wickedness.

 

[Lewis]

I didn't say anything about the US or any other country controlling their borders. We haven't. But the folks are HERE now so why is it such a huge thing to expect Christians to show a little Christian love and kindness instead of political rancor?...We can make up every excuse in the world or quote whatever piece of Scripture we want. At the end of the day, it's a display of our lack of love and mercy. And that's a darn shame when we should be screaming mercy at the top of our lungs because we know how good Jesus has been to us.

Many Christian organizations do try to help illegals. Doesn't change the fact that the US should be able to enforce immigration into our country. A majority of citizens (of any or no faith) want to see our laws enforced. Just as they are in other countries.

I believe that unemployment in Mexico is currently no greater than our own. There is no good reason to continue to ignore our laws.

There's no double standard just like there are no contradictions in God's word.

You are trying to reconcile who we are supposed to be SPIRITUALLY with who the government has said it is. That's just crazy.

What's crazy is to encourage others to ignore our borders in order to appear more spiritual. Why are Hispanic Christians not asking Mexico to loosen their rules regarding immigration? They are not. Therein is the double standard.

 

[Jedi Knight]

What's crazy is to encourage others to ignore our borders in order to appear more spiritual. Why are Hispanic Christians not asking Mexico to loosen their rules regarding immigration? They are not. Therein is the double standard.

Lewis you hit the nail on the head my friend! Some people lack spiritual discernment and call it "compassion".:type:

 

[Zaac]

Many Christian organizations do try to help illegals. Doesn't change the fact that the US should be able to enforce immigration into our country.

One has got nothing to do with the other. This is a matter of how CHRISTIANS should be treating them. And the way that Christ has given us just always seems to take a back seat to our politics.

A majority of citizens (of any or no faith) want to see our laws enforced. Just as they are in other countries.

Has NOTHING to do with how we are to as Christians treat them.

I believe that unemployment in Mexico is currently no greater than our own. There is no good reason to continue to ignore our laws.

Has NOTHING to do with how we are to as Christians treat them.

Their entire country could cross that border and it STILL has no bearing on how we as Christians are called of Christ to treat them.

Let Caesar enforce his own laws. Carry the Cross of Christ so that the mission field that he's sending to us can be sown, cultivated and reaped.

What's crazy is to encourage others to ignore our borders in order to appear more spiritual. Why are Hispanic Christians not asking Mexico to loosen their rules regarding immigration? They are not. Therein is the double standard.

Has NOTHING to do with how we are to as Christians treat them.

 

[Lewis]

Lewis you hit the nail on the head my friend! Some people lack spiritual discernment and call it "compassion".:type:

:thumbs:

One has got nothing to do with the other. This is a matter of how CHRISTIANS should be treating them. And the way that Christ has given us just always seems to take a back seat to our politics.

Nobody is in favor of cruelty to illegals. We all know they are human beings just like us. What most want is for the border to be secured and then the politicians can talk about what to do with those who are already here. Not the other way around. It is easy to score points and appear merciful by offering up more benefits and more amnesty.