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History of the C-Virus shot
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I am. All trials involve a small group. 5 years is not a short trial period for a developed vaccine.
I did say May 2920. But I looked it up and it was March 16, 2020.
Either way, side-effects from the vaccine can occur. But they are far less than side-effects from covid. If covid does not matter due to minimal odds of death then neither does vaccines as the odds are far less.
well, I'm fond of using the polio vax as the standard for trials.
1.4 million participants over 14 months. and this for a vaccine which was in a proven TYPE of vaccine; Modified Live Virus
Here we have the first mRNA Coronavirus vax ... 3 month trial. Bam. It's all good? The data is so good, they want to restrict its release for 55 years. That's some real confidence there! ///sarc
the comparison with of lingering effects ... you're asking for those from the cv vax without knowing the consequences of a long-term presence of spike protein ... WITH a real possibility (50%) of being infected with the virus anyway. Even if the symptoms aren't as severe (though that little talking point is getting pressed, even Fauci has acknowledged that this past week) ... you STILL have the cv vax-motivating spike proteins running without regulation PLUS the SARSCovi2 virus infection.
I'm sticking with "keep the immune system tuned-up" let it work as designed against the pathogen ... knowing I'll have the VIRUS generated spike protein for a MUCH shorter period of time than the artificially produced toxin --- indefinitely.
The polio vacvine? You do know that medicine has advanced a lot since then.....right?
That said, I do not begrudge anybody of their litmus tests. I have my own as well.
yes, the polio vaccine. The TRIAL of the polio vaccine.
What did scientists know about the mRNA covid19 vax candidate that their predecessors didn't know about the polio vax candidate?
"Over the course of less than 12 months, 1.8 million children in 44 states—and in Canada and Finland—would step up to participate in the vaccine trials. It was an unprecedented scale, never matched in the country before or since."
I am not sure that would be acceptable today.
That said, there was a large minority rejected the validity of the polio vaccine as well. Without hindsight I believe anti-covid-vaxers would fall into this category.
The Press Made the Polio Vaccine Trials Into a Public Spectacle | History | Smithsonian Magazine
right ... IDK what the factor is ... 150x? on which we've "doubled down" 1.4 million vice 150 million. I'm not a math wizard.
The real trial is in progress now. Though I'm not sure how "controlled" it is, there IS an effort to inject saline. Now it's clearly not on a per person basis, but it's certainly been in regions at different times.
I agree that time will tell just how effective the vaccines will be, especiall with a large vaccine resistant minoriy. Time will also tell just how much damage the virus will cause.
That's why I don't sweat it. To each his own. Everybody has to live with the consequences of their choices, whether it is vaccine side-effects, covid side-effects, the loss of a job, or protection against a virus.
@Two Wings ,
Since you question the covid vaccines as actual vaccines maybe this will be a better comparison (as it is not a vaccine).
The Pfizer trials lasted 18 months and included 43,661 people.
I take lisinopril (an angiotensin-converting-enzyme inhibitor) for blood pressure. The clinical trial involved a little over 14,000 people and lasted 16 months.
In August 2000, after a 2 years 5 months clinical trial with 42 participants, Sulfasalazine (a 5-aminosalicyclic-acid derivative) was approved to treat ulcerative colitis.
I could go on. My question is, if you were making the decision for the FDA would you have approved these treatments?
Since you question the covid vaccines as actual vaccines maybe this will be a better comparison (as it is not a vaccine).
The Pfizer trials lasted 18 months and included 43,661 people.
I take lisinopril (an angiotensin-converting-enzyme inhibitor) for blood pressure. The clinical trial involved a little over 14,000 people and lasted 16 months.
In August 2000, after a 2 years 5 months clinical trial with 42 participants, Sulfasalazine (a 5-aminosalicyclic-acid derivative) was approved to treat ulcerative colitis.
I could go on. My question is, if you were making the decision for the FDA would you have approved these treatments?
I did that as well. I then received the Pfizer booster when it was authorized for me.
The problem is those who do not get vaccinated are endangering not only themselves but also everyone around them. The thread I introduced states that the Irish government estimates that half of everyone in their hospitals for Covid have not taken the vaccine. So the real question is "How much do you care about the health/life of your neighbor?
There was a polio epidemic in my home town the year I was born. The polio vaccine was hailed as a life-saver and it was. The Covid-19 mvaccines have been shown to be very effective in halting the spread of this deadly virus which has killed mor Americans than were killed in every war since the Civil War. You don't care? This is minimal? Thenm stop having parades for men sent out to kill, other men.
Actually - that is the 64,000 question. Too many unknowns.
Now we are being told that the shot may only for six months or so!
How Many Have Died From COVID Vaccines?
They are, I agree. Unfortunately in a free society people end up suffering for the stupidity or ignorance of others.
This disease is evolving. We don't know what's next. Why reject solutions for the past versions because they might not work for future ones? The scientific research must and is continuing to study this evolution of Covid-19. Should flu shots have been rejected last year because a different strain very well would occur this year requiring a different vaccine?
The 6 to 8 month thing was based on an Israeli study. They determined the effectiveness of the vaccines diminish over time and boosters should be given after that time frame.
BUT others (including the CDC and FDA) suggested that since the virus remains effective after 8 months the decrease does not warrant a booster (at the 6 to 8 month mark). They approved boosters for high risk categories. The criteria is at least 6 months had to have elapsed since the final initial vaccination.
The whole idea that after 6 months the vaccine does not work is anti-covid-vaxers misinformation based on the above.
As I get older, thank goodness I remember some wise words from my mother. "Your freedom ends where mhe tip of my nose begins.' Freedom of speech does NOT include falsely yelling out "FIRE" in a crowded auditorium.
This is a truth too many have forgotten. People have freedom. What they want is freedom from responsibility.
seems to me it's still spreading. At least that's what I'm being told. So how can you declare success of an injection when we still have the problem in significant measure ... at least that's what's being reported.
The number of deaths thing ... you are all over the place. Why not compare the number of deaths to something today?
You may be convinced 3/4 of a million Americans have died DUE to covid19. I am not.
infected cv vaxed aren't being fully accounted-for either ... which adversely affects the "very effective in halting the spread" talking point.