HITLER'S PRESENT SITUATION

[Amity]

I was reading through this thread and could not help but think of my unsaved husband, who is a generally good person. I think that if we focus or try to rationalize the fact that Hitler is burning in a part of Hell that's a little hotter and more torturous than my husband will, then it takes away from the urgency to reach those that are lost because they won't receive "as bad" a punishment. Hell is Hell, ya'll....we got work to do.

Matthew 28:19-20
1 Thessalonians 5:17

Love in Christ,
Amity

 

[Archeryaddict]

Originally posted by BillyShope:
My original question was not "Is Hitler in hell?" or "Is Hitler suffering?". It was: Is Hitler presently suffering under God's judgment as a result of his (Hitler's) genocidal acts?

God has not Judged hitler yet but he is suffering in torment neverless.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

I disagree. Hitler is in Hell as we speak and God is just, righteous, and soveriegn.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Archeryaddict]

Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
I disagree. Hitler is in Hell as we speak and God is just, righteous, and soveriegn.

Joseph Botwinick

yes hitler is in hell but he has not been judged
Revelation 20:11-15 tells us this.

 

[Brutus]

Billy; for whom did Jesus taste death?

 

[BillyShope]

Originally posted by whatever:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by BillyShope:
Yet, if the sin of unbelief was borne, for all men, by Christ on the cross, we have that principle violated if the unrepentent sinner must again bear that punishment in hell.

Yet, if the sin of unbelief was not borne, for me, by Christ on the cross, then by what principle could I ever be forgiven for my unbelief? Interesting indeed. </font>[/QUOTE]Wasn't thinking clearly when I made my last post. We know that there is a sin which is considered differently from others, called the "unforgivable" sin. I believe that sin to be the sin of unbelief. It is that sin which condemns an individual to hell and for which he receives punishment.

Since God considers that sin in a unique manner, I don't believe one can dogmatically say that it must be lumped with all other sins, the punishment for which was borne at the cross. When a drunkard stops drinking, that can be a significant day in his life. When a thief stops stealing, the day can also be meaningful. But, when a sinner turns from unbelief to belief, it is not merely a change in lifestyle. The angels rejoice in Heaven! A name is written down in Glory! In short, God does a miraculous work!

No, the punishment for the sin of unbelief was NOT borne by Christ on the cross. If it had been, it would no longer be considered "unforgivable." The sin of unbelief describes a condition, not an act or even a desire to commit an act. When you trusted in Christ, that condition...and the sin connected with it...disappeared forever. That sin has been replaced with the righteousness of His Son (justification), so how could He ever punish you for it?

No, there is no "double jeopardy" problem. God is just and righteous in all His doings.

(Incidentally, I should have omitted "presently" from my thread starter. Those who caught it and pointed out that the Great White Throne Judgment has not yet occurred are correct, of course.)

 

[Daniel David]

Billy, Revelation 20:8 lumps unbelief with the other sins. I personally don't care if you want to lump them together, the Word of God does.

 

[robycop3]

Hitler was responsible for some 55 million deaths. Without him, there'd been no WW2. Japan became aggressive ONLY after Hitler had conquered most of Europe & they'd secured his promise to declare war upon the USA if Japan did.

His buddy Stalin is right behind him as a top mass-murderer. They now have the "pleasure" of seeing each other all the time now, when not distracted by their environment.

The very last thing Hitler wrote was blaming the JEWS for both starting the war & then losing it. Seeing as how his last act was to end his own life with a 9-MM to the roof of his mouth, I doubt if he was saved.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

And yes, Hitler is currently and forever in Hell because he was not saved.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[blackbird]

robycop---how are you sure it was a 9-MM and how are you sure that it was to the roof of his mouth?? The "Ruskies" had his body---and they balked when we asked them to talk about it!!

 

[whatever]

Originally posted by BillyShope:
No, the punishment for the sin of unbelief was NOT borne by Christ on the cross. If it had been, it would no longer be considered "unforgivable." The sin of unbelief describes a condition, not an act or even a desire to commit an act. When you trusted in Christ, that condition...and the sin connected with it...disappeared forever. That sin has been replaced with the righteousness of His Son (justification), so how could He ever punish you for it?

According to Paul, we can only become righteous because Christ became our sin. So how did my unbelief, which Christ didn't bear on the cross, get replaced with Christ's righteousness since our becoming righteous is conditioned on His bearing our sin?

Or to ask it another way, since my previous unbelief was never paid for how can it just disappear while God remains just?

 

[IveyLeaguer]

Originally posted by robycop3:

Hitler was responsible for some 55 million deaths. Without him, there'd been no WW2.

Not to get off topic but it's well known that Hitler was deep into the occult. And there are some who say Hitler was the seventh of Satan's seven kings, the king predicted to appear in John's future prior to the Antichrist, to carry out a brief career. And they make a pretty good case for it. Hitler's career was typical of the other kings in that he acted irrationally and violently, blasphemed God, and persecuted His people. And like Nero, committed suicide when he saw that his end was near.

I'm just amazed how anyone could exegete from scripture that Adolf Hitler will receive less punishment than Mother Theresa, should she somehow end up in remotely the same place.

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by blackbird:
robycop---how are you sure it was a 9-MM and how are you sure that it was to the roof of his mouth?? The "Ruskies" had his body---and they balked when we asked them to talk about it!!

All forensic evidence obtained by the United States since the fact points towards Robycop3's statement. There is a possibility that it might not be the exact method of his death, but it is only a remote possibility and a typical theory that conspiracy theories are made of.

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by robycop3:
His buddy Stalin is right behind him as a top mass-murderer. They now have the "pleasure" of seeing each other all the time now, when not distracted by their environment.

Isn't the final form of hell thought to be darkness? Isn't light considered by some to be the Glory of God and therefore, hell would have a lack of light energy?

If so, they are probably crawling around on hot coals looking for each other. While bumping into many of the people they killed. I would guess that absolute lawlessness occurs in hell and regardless of the suffering and pain, it would not be a savory place to enjoy company. Just a thought. . .

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by Phillip:

Originally posted by robycop3:
[qb] His buddy Stalin is right behind him as a top mass-murderer. They now have the "pleasure" of seeing each other all the time now, when not distracted by their environment.

Isn't the final form of hell thought to be darkness? Isn't light considered by some to be the Glory of God and therefore, hell would have a lack of light energy?

If so, they are probably crawling around on hot coals looking for each other. While bumping into many of the people they killed. I would guess that absolute lawlessness occurs in hell and regardless of the suffering and pain, it would not be a savory place to enjoy company.

Just think of a maximum security prison with all prisoners in the yard and no guards. I have seen that happen once in the 70's at the big Oklahoma Big Mac riot. You would NOT believe the autrocities that occurred. Can't describe them here. My guess is that along with the painful punishment, it is like this only multiplied many more times.

Just a thought. . .

Back to the subject. He is in hell because he was not saved. He may be under greater punishment because of his sinful life, but only if you believe in levels of hell. I don't know whether I do or not. ...have not studied it enough.

 

[Rachel]

I'm curious about this....Is it wrong not to feel compassion for Hitler and others that are evil? Since the bible says to love our enemies? So would it be wrong for us to be glad they are in Hell?

Rachel

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

I am really going to put myself out there on the line and open myself up for much criticism and attack, but here goes: It probably is. I don't know for sure. There are some here who would probably argue that the Bible teaches us to rejoice in the righteous judgement of God. I think it probably has to do with what is in our hearts. My guess is that I am happy Hitler is in Hell because my ancestors were Polish Jews and what he did to them. But before anyone judges me too harshly, why don't you pray that God will help me not to hate Hitler in my heart, even though I do rejoice in the righteous judgement of God? Do you think it is possible to rejoice in the righteous judgement of God without hating the person who is being judged?

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Phillip]

Good questioni Rachel. Consider Revelations 6:10. Obviously there are differences. The people speaking here were martyred and already died a physical death. They were martyred by the people they want avenged. But, it does seem that it is acceptable for them to ask for the avengement of God on the people.

It may be wrong not to feel compassion for Hilter, but often it is stiffled by the thought of 6,000,000 Jews who were gassed or shot in the most inhumane ways. It is even stifled to think of the approximately 20,000,000 (I believe) Russians who died in an effort to stop the forward march of Hilter.

I have adopted three girls (young ladies now) who were abused by their father who is in prison. I cannot say that I am not happy he is getting what he deserved because I have seen the pain in my girls as they grew up with problems that will have an effect on them their entire lives. The judge said that he (the biological father) had sentenced his own daughters to a life sentence, so therefore, he gave him a life sentence; however, in Oklahoma, that can be as short as 20 years or less due to good behavior and taking courses related to the crime while in prison. Yes, I would have difficulty feeling sorry for him. I just don't think about him much.

As a detective I work around a lot of bad people. It is difficult to feel sorry for someone who beats their wife because they have to do so to feel like a 'man'.

Paul was somewhat intolerant to those unrepentant sinners and I think maybe that might be a key. If an enemy were to ask for forgiveness, then we must accept it.

But, again, let me say that this does NOT mean that we be stupid. If it is a child molester, you certainly don't give them a Sunday School class of young children. If they were embezzling, you certainly don't put them in charge of counting the collection plate money.

It is my opinion that a convicted child-molester should be assigned a deacon or elder to sit with them in church, making sure they are where they are supposed to be. If they are truly repentent they will accept this. If not, they will complain about the unfairness. IMHO.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

Quite an interesting question, Rachel!

 

[KeithS]

To back up a few posts - just curious why we call "unbelief" sin? If I do not "believe" a co-worker or a friend, it is not a sin. Why is it sin if I do not "believe" God? What if I do not "believe" in a literal Genesis? Is faulty biblical interpretation sin?

I guess I thought that failure to believe was not the "sin" that sends us to hell. All of our sins, including our sin nature, sends us to hell unless we believe.

 

[Rachel]

Yeah, I have wondered about this. If it's a sin to be glad evil people like Hitler are in hell. Or glad people like Suddams sons met their end and are there. Someone told me it was wrong because that is not loving my enemie. I hadn't thought it was wrong. I hate injustice. And from what I've read like some passages mentioned before, it seemed alright to want them to be punished. I hate the thought of anyone going there but I don't feel much sympathy for people that are so evil.

Rachel