Holiness is not Legalism

[T Alan]

Go south young man and you will see certain denominations that go back to the altar once they have made a profession of faith to seek the second working of grace which they call sanctification.

This doesn't occur in the Northern region?

 

[Benjamin]

FTR, I do not claim that Wesley was a legalist?? If that's what you mean.

On the contrary, I was referring to the Rev's question of where the people were that considered holiness to be associated with legalism, by giving an example. I agree with you that holiness is not typically a form of legalism but that it is often to referred to that way.

The link I left is a good sermon to the contrary of this.

Wesley's oft misunderstood doctrines of "Christian Perfection" is another good source on the subject. Yet, no doubt many, especially here, will attempt to spin that into a form of works salvation - IOWs if you talk of holiness they immediately contend those who hold to such a doctrine must be wrapped up in a works based/earned sanctification, blah, blah and therefore you could logically conclude they consider it legalism and you can expect to hear the Determinist's battle cry that it therefore is not of grace, - and WHOA! to you - if you maintain that salvation is to have a condition of faith by which leads to holiness, etc. Whatever...

 

[T Alan]

On the contrary, I was referring to the Rev's question of where the people were that considered holiness to be associated with legalism, by giving an example. I agree with you that holiness is not typically a form of legalism but that it is often to referred to that way.




Wesley's oft misunderstood doctrines of "Christian Perfection" is another good source on the subject. Yet, no doubt many, especially here, will attempt to spin that into a form of works salvation - IOWs if you talk of holiness they immediately contend those who hold to such a doctrine must be wrapped up in a works based/earned sanctification, blah, blah and therefore you could logically conclude they consider it legalism and you can expect to hear the Determinist's battle cry that it therefore is not of grace, - and WHOA! to you - if you maintain that salvation is to have a condition of faith by which leads to holiness, etc. Whatever...

Very God, thanks for the clarification. Agreed.

 

[PreachTony]

Go south young man and you will see certain denominations that go back to the altar once they have made a profession of faith to seek the second working of grace which they call sanctification.

Who are these people?

 

[Yeshua1]

Some are Confusing Holiness for Legalism.
Can one be Holy without being labeled as a Legalist?


2 Corinthians 7:1King James Version
7 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

1 Peter 1:
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Hebrews 12:14
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

2 Timothy 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Psalm 139:23-24
23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

Romans 12:1
12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Philippians 2:5
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Psalm 119:9
9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.

Ezekiel 38:23
23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 4:7 -
For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Hebrews 12:14 -
Follow peace with all [men], and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

2 Timothy 2:21 - If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, [and] prepared unto every good work.

1 Thessalonians 4:4
That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;

Holiness is the work of God in and towards the saved, while legalism is someone trying to do that same workby themselves, and taking the credit for it, by making sure all others must be doing same things inrder to be "right with God"

 

[Revmitchell]

This doesn't occur in the Northern region?

I got news for yall, it doesn't happen in the south either.

 

[salzer mtn]

I got news for yall, it doesn't happen in the south either.

Rev, thanks for calling me a liar. CoG believe in being saved, sanctified and filled with the Holy Ghost. I have witnessed these people coming back to the altar for the second and third working of grace as they call it. They also believe just being saved is not being filled with the Holy Ghost. Congregational Methodist of which my father in law belonged before he passed away believed in praying again for the second working of grace called sanctification. I ask him one time to prove to me by scripture this doctrine. He said in Mk 8:24 when Christ put spit on the blind man's eyes and ask him if he could see, the blind man said, I see men as tree's walking. After that Christ put his hands again on his eyes and the blind man saw every man clearly. So you see said my father in law, the blind man was not whole until the second working of grace. Congregation Methodist went into Southern Methodist several years ago so I don't know if this view is still held or not.

 

[Revmitchell]

I am from the south, my parents are from the south, I am eat up from the south. Charismatics may look at things that way but that is not a south thing there is no accounting for what charismatics think and do. They do it everywhere north, south, east, and west.