Holman Christian Standard Translation

Rev 14:6 And2532 I saw1492 another243 angel32 fly4072 in1722 the midst of heaven,3321 having2192 the everlasting166 gospel2098 to preach2097 unto them that dwell2730 on1909 the3588 earth,1093 and2532 to every3956 nation,1484 and2532 kindred,5443 and2532 tongue,1100 and2532 people,2992

Craig, are you saying that "tongue" in the above verse does NOT mean language?

 

No, of course not. Indeed, you would be very foolish to do so since you know almost nothing about me or my knowledge of this subject. However, you are not only disagreeing with me—you are disagreeing with many of the most capable and knowledgeable language scholars and translators alive today.

I do not wish to continue debating in this thread with individuals who do not have the necessary background and education in linguistics and translation theory to understand my posts, so I am withdrawing from this thread.

 

No, we are not. You just have not provided any sources that we may check out.

Now, you are making assumptions about our background without knowing us.

 

To anyone who claims that "tongues" is different from "languages," please provide any and all relevant differences in meaning. (For example, does "tongues" also include casting magic spells or making prophetic predictions?)

 

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[ March 10, 2005, 06:19 PM: Message edited by: manchester ]

 

I'm still reading through the HCSB, and so far I haven't found any real problems with it.....

Some different renderings, for example: Messiah, where Christ has traditionally been used, Slave instead of Servant, etc...

But over all I think (just my opinion) it comes down to personal preference....

As an illustration, Romans 1:1 (excerp) from 4 translations:

1. "Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus" HCSB
2. "Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus" NASB
3. "Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ" NKJV
4. "Paul, bondman of Jesus Christ" Ricker-Berry

I personally prefer (once again just MY preference) the NASB rendering in this case, as I like the picture of becoming a bond-servant IAW Old Testament law.....That we willingly submitted ourselves as slaves for life to our Lord......

But in reality, the idea that Paul is in service to Christ is expressed in all the above......

Guess it all comes down to what flavor one likes.

 

Craig,
This is a personal slam to the people who post here. You do not know about their backgrounds either and just because you disagree with it does not make it wrong.

You entire defense on many issues is based on "what you say that many other professionals believe". This is getting a little old.

If you do not wish to post, that is fine, but I seriously suggest that you quit making personal attacks on the knowledge of those fellow Christians that debate here. It will be edited in the future and/or earn free paid vacations. I prefer this not to happen so let us lay off of the person attacks on a persons knowledge, education or opinion.

Thank you,