Holy Spirit

[Yeshua1]

Can you prove this through scripture?

the book of Hebrews made it clear that the Lord used the Apostles in their Signs/Wonders to confirm that yeshua is Lord, but note that it was said to "have been confirmed in the past"

believe that the lord still heals today , and can still do miracles , but that NONE are gifted with the gift to do them as Apostles were, its today just God doing it!

 

[awaken]

the book of Hebrews made it clear that the Lord used the Apostles in their Signs/Wonders to confirm that yeshua is Lord, but note that it was said to "have been confirmed in the past"

believe that the lord still heals today , and can still do miracles , but that NONE are gifted with the gift to do them as Apostles were, its today just God doing it!

I agree that the Apostles were confirmed by signs and wonders..but it does not say it was done away with. Other people manifested the Holy Spirit too!

I see in Eph. where He gave gifts for the perfecting of the saints, the work of ministry, the edifying of the body of Christ..til we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.

Are you saying that we are there?

 

[Yeshua1]

I agree that the Apostles were confirmed by signs and wonders..but it does not say it was done away with. Other people manifested the Holy Spirit too!

I see in Eph. where He gave gifts for the perfecting of the saints, the work of ministry, the edifying of the body of Christ..til we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.

Are you saying that we are there?

saying that the Gifts such as healing/prophesy/signs and wonders not needed for today, as we have the full canon of the Bible...

God can still choose to do healings, miracles etc , but NONE gifted by him to be able to do it, its all by Him now!

 

[awaken]

saying that the Gifts such as healing/prophesy/signs and wonders not needed for today, as we have the full canon of the Bible...

God can still choose to do healings, miracles etc , but NONE gifted by him to be able to do it, its all by Him now!

THis is what I have been taught all my life! But six years ago I found out I was taught wrong! We are just going to have to disagree because not only is it not in scriptures that it has passed but I have experienced some of it myself.

In the South there are a lot of Baptist seeing the truth about the Holy Spirit...A lot of change!

 

[Yeshua1]

THis is what I have been taught all my life! But six years ago I found out I was taught wrong! We are just going to have to disagree because not only is it not in scriptures that it has passed but I have experienced some of it myself.

In the South there are a lot of Baptist seeing the truth about the Holy Spirit...A lot of change!

What are you exactly seeing and experiencing then?

 

[awaken]

What are you exactly seeing and experiencing then?

To make a long story short....
Prophesy is not changing the Bible. You can prophesy on a personal level without changing the events in the Bible. It is edifying to the people! I have done this and also been prophesied over!

Praying in the spirit is real! It is powerful!...and it has not been done away with! Ever wonder why satan attacks this gift the most?

God has always worked through men in the Bible, why would he change now?

 

[Yeshua1]

To make a long story short....
Prophesy is not changing the Bible. You can prophesy on a personal level without changing the events in the Bible. It is edifying to the people! I have done this and also been prophesied over!

Praying in the spirit is real! It is powerful!...and it has not been done away with! Ever wonder why satan attacks this gift the most?

God has always worked through men in the Bible, why would he change now?

ALL that we need to live for the Lord though is contained in the bible...

What does that other stuff add to our walk with him?

paul said be filled with the Sprit, but where did he say do the other stuff?

 

[Iconoclast]

To make a long story short....
Prophesy is not changing the Bible. You can prophesy on a personal level without changing the events in the Bible. It is edifying to the people! I have done this and also been prophesied over!

Praying in the spirit is real! It is powerful!...and it has not been done away with! Ever wonder why satan attacks this gift the most?

God has always worked through men in the Bible, why would he change now?

If you believe you have gotten a new word directly from God...what was it?
Some have made this claim...like J.Smith says the book of mormon was additional revelation. What did God say to you exactly...word for word..write it down for us...so we can have the book of Awaken.

if you cannot do this...it did not come from God. The Church is told to contend for the ...Faith...once for all time given to the church ...in Jude...

You are claiming there is still more we need:thumbs:

 

[awaken]

If you believe you have gotten a new word directly from God...what was it?
Some have made this claim...like J.Smith says the book of mormon was additional revelation. What did God say to you exactly...word for word..write it down for us...so we can have the book of Awaken.

if you cannot do this...it did not come from God. The Church is told to contend for the ...Faith...once for all time given to the church ...in Jude...

You are claiming there is still more we need:thumbs:

God did not call me to write a book! Are you saying God does not speak to us today on a personal level?

I said that it does not add to the Bible or take away! A personal prophesy does not change scripture!

God still speaks to us...still guides us...and sometimes it is through someone else. THat COULD BE in the form of edification through prophesy on a personal level.

 

[Tom Butler]

Doesn't I Corinthians 13 say tongues, the word of knowledge and prophecy shall cease?

 

[Iconoclast]

God did not call me to write a book! Are you saying God does not speak to us today on a personal level?

I said that it does not add to the Bible or take away! A personal prophesy does not change scripture!

God still speaks to us...still guides us...and sometimes it is through someone else. THat COULD BE in the form of edification through prophesy on a personal level.

Awaken,
There is no promise in scripture that God will speak to anyone in an audible voice. If God were to speak directly.....it would be the same as scripture, it would be new revelation.What verses are you thinking of?

Consider this:

Chapter 1: Of the Holy Scriptures
1._____ The Holy Scripture is the only sufficient, certain, and infallible rule of all saving knowledge, faith, and obedience, although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men inexcusable; yet are they not sufficient to give that knowledge of God and his will which is necessary unto salvation. Therefore it pleased the Lord at sundry times and in divers manners to reveal himself, and to declare that his will unto his church; and afterward for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan, and of the world, to commit the same wholly unto writing; which maketh the Holy Scriptures to be most necessary, those former ways of God's revealing his will unto his people being now ceased.
( 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Isaiah 8:20; Luke 16:29, 31; Ephesians 2:20; Romans 1:19-21; Romans 2:14,15; Psalms 19:1-3; Hebrews 1:1; Proverbs 22:19-21; Romans 15:4; 2 Peter 1:19,20 )

 

[awaken]

Awaken,
There is no promise in scripture that God will speak to anyone in an audible voice. If God were to speak directly.....it would be the same as scripture, it would be new revelation.What verses are you thinking of?

Consider this:

I did not say audible! In my spirit God speaks to me on a personal level!

 

[awaken]

The Bible tells us that we need to be led by the Holy Spirit (e.g. Romans 8:12-14 and Galatians 5:16-25). Therefore, it must be possible for every one of us to discern the promptings and guidance of the Holy Spirit within us!

In order to hear God's voice and discern His leading for your daily life, there's one key point that you need to be aware of. If you can grab hold of this one key point then you'll be able to hear from God much more often. Here it is:
Don't expect God to speak to you in a sensational, spectacular, supernatural way!

You see, we have a natural tendency to want God to speak out loud to us in an obvious way so that we know that it was Him and so that we know what we're supposed to do. God occasionally speaks to people in "the audible voice of God" or in some other sensational way, but those are not His usual ways of speaking to us. Why? Because God is into faith, and without faith it's impossible to please Him (Hebrews 11:6). The thing is, faith requires that we don't have all of our questions answered! For example, if God always spoke out loud to us so that we know it's Him, then we wouldn't need faith to hear Him. On the other hand, if God speaks so softly to us that we need to draw closer to Him in order to hear Him better, then there's a lot of faith involved. Remember, it's faith which pleases Him.

The still, small voice of God

 

[Yeshua1]

Doesn't I Corinthians 13 say tongues, the word of knowledge and prophecy shall cease?

Yes, when that which is perfect has come...

problem is that we baptists tend to say that means the canon was complted after revelation, but the contex fits better referring to the Second Coming!

 

[awaken]

Yes, when that which is perfect has come...

problem is that we baptists tend to say that means the canon was complted after revelation, but the contex fits better referring to the Second Coming!

I agree!

Corinthians 13:8-10
"Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears." (1 Corinthians 13:8-10)


Many people assume that this passage teaches that the gift of tongues died out in the first century, because they assume that "perfection" was achieved when the New Testament was completed. However, there are a number of reasons why 1 Corinthians 13:10 (above) does not refer to the completion of the New Testament:

If we believe that this passage is referring to the completion of the New Testament then we are reading into the passage something which it does not actually say. For example, it's equally possible that Paul was referring to the completion of our salvation (which will occur when our bodies are transformed), as in the following passage:

"he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus." (Philippians 1:6)

The words "completion" or "perfection" can refer to any number of things. The fact that the Greek word for "perfection" can be translated as "completion" does not prove that Paul was referring to the completed New Testament

 

[Tom Butler]

So Paul wrote to the church at Corinth about something that would not happen for at least 2,000 years?

I have trouble believing Paul was sure that we'd be reading his stuff 2,000 years later. Seems to me he would have written to the Corinthians, "by the way, don't pay any attention to this, it's not gonna happen in your lifetime."

 

[awaken]

So Paul wrote to the church at Corinth about something that would not happen for at least 2,000 years?

I have trouble believing Paul was sure that we'd be reading his stuff 2,000 years later. Seems to me he would have written to the Corinthians, "by the way, don't pay any attention to this, it's not gonna happen in your lifetime."

WHAT?!?!:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Yeshua1]

So Paul wrote to the church at Corinth about something that would not happen for at least 2,000 years?

I have trouble believing Paul was sure that we'd be reading his stuff 2,000 years later. Seems to me he would have written to the Corinthians, "by the way, don't pay any attention to this, it's not gonna happen in your lifetime."

believe Paul and the other Apsotle had the earnest hope of jesus returning in their lifetime, but when it seemed not to be the case....

And the prophets also wrote events to come that I am sure sometimes thought was going to hapen quickly!

Have to see that passage in contex, and what seems to best fit the verses...

Second Coming seems to fit it best!

 

[awaken]

As Baptist I was taught that when we are saved we get all the Holy Spirit that we are going to get. Others are teaching that there is a second work of the Holy Spirit. So which is it? When I look at scriptures I see both sides!

 

[Iconoclast]

As Baptist I was taught that when we are saved we get all the Holy Spirit that we are going to get. Others are teaching that there is a second work of the Holy Spirit. So which is it? When I look at scriptures I see both sides!

The first is biblical, the second is not:thumbsup::thumbsup: