homosexual invasion

Born like that--and allowed to grow like that--who trains them?

Yes, indeed, we are all born in sin--conceived in sin. How will we rationalize sin? I'm not so bad--it's my choice--it's my body.

The wages of sin is death, the gift of God is eternal life--through Jesus Christ the Lord.

Have we "free-willed" ourselves into The Pit?

Selah,

Bro. James

 

HMM Reminds me of the passage of scripture
let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
another one I came not to condemn the world because the world is already condemned

when is the last time you good christians showed the love of Jesus christ to a homosexual?

I can tell you right now why Christianity is being called a hate group among the homosexual comunity is because we are passing judgement on them instead of loving them and trying to understand why they are the way they are
Ya I am guilty

I wonder WWJD?

 

WWJD????

"Go, and sin no more."--John 8:11

And Jesus loved this lady---and he did understand why she was the way she was.

This is the day and age of grace---but the Bible promises that riding in on the coattail of grace is the fury of God's judgment----and if the righteous scarcely be saved---how will the ungodly and repobates stand in that day?

 

ASLANSPAL---the Holy Spirit is more than just our "common sense"---the Holy Spirit is God and its the Holy Spirit who in Romans 1:28 "gave them over to a reprobate mind to do those things which are not convenient."

She combs her hair that way---because she wants to and learned to do it that way---she walks that way because she wants to and learned to do it that way----she stands different because she taught herself to stand that way---just like a baseball player---a Third Baseman "stands" different than a First Baseman because of his position----she talks that way because she wants to and taught herself to talk that way---just like Rich Little taught himself how to talk just like Richard Nixon and Dennis Swanburg taught himself how to talk like Barney Fife and Mohammed Ali!!

Born that way-----I don't need a microscope to show me there isn't a shread of evidence that even points to the same Continent that that kind of reprobate thinking comes from!

Homosexuality is a choice and when people make a "choice" to go that direction---the Lord God Almighty also makes a choice to give them up to that "reprobate" way according to Romans 1 and according to Romans 1----a person cannot have both the mind of a Reprobate and the mind of Christ at the same time---because according to James 1---a double minded man is unstable in all his ways!!! Do you understand this??? A person cannot think like a homosexual and think like Christ at the same time!!!

Brother David

 

and how do we learn to witness to homosexuals in christian love without condemnation or to judge them?
how do we tell them their lifestyle is an abomnation to the Lord God without hardening their heart more to the truth when they have been told all their life that it is ok to be homosexual?

of course Jesus understood because He created her but I don't think the ones who were ready to stone her to death understood her.
so tell me why are homosexuals homosexuals?

the Bible says there is none righteous not one
My righteousness is in Jesus Christ alone
tell me this how many times do you have to steal to be a thief,how many lies must you tell to be a liar, how many times must you get drunk to be a drunkard how many times do you have to commit adultrey to be an adulturer?
are any of these sins any worse than the other?
sin is sin in the eyes of the lord.
Jesus said if you have broken one commandment you have broken them all. we are to be salt and light to a dying world not to be salt to pour into an open wound to inflict more pain or to be an interigation spot light.
ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ our Lord. so who are we todeny this group of people the free gift of grace given by God to the world because we dont like their lifestyle?

All who have not repented of their sin will stand before God on the day of judgement

I already know how to Judge homosexuals tell me how we can win them to Christ?

 

By telling them the truth---nobody is ever won to Christ without telling them the truth and the truth is found in your quote

"All who have not repented of their sin will stand before God on the day of judgement"

Jesus did not deny that woman the free gift of grace---but the free gift of grace cost her something!!! What did it cost???

Her lifestyle! She was free to go when Jesus said, "Go!" ---but she would have to leave her lifestyle behind when Jesus said, "And sin no more!!!"

 

[pro-sodomite and condemning moderators post snipped]

Oh btw I now go to a baptist church do I need
to change my profile or will my word do..thanks

and please reinstate my full post ..thankyou

in advance.

And of course the holy spirit tells me through

scripture..through experiences...through opportunitys.... the holy spirit is the opportunity giver...don't censor me because
you do not believe what I am saying but debate
me...it is so easy to persecute others when you
are in a place of authority because you do
not believe as they do...fine..but be honest
you removed my post because you don't want
it to be heard and are afraid of it.

[ March 04, 2005, 12:41 AM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob ]

 

Then you agree that Mary Cheney was born that
way...Dr. Bob you have actually seen here
and discerned...common sense help of holy spirit
tells you so...period...google for a picture
of Mary Cheney and see with your own eyes.


[pro-sodomite and condemning moderators post snipped) wow! who said this and will they
take credit for it...I certainly didn't

I am saying this ..and its true..people are
born they way they are...people are born
as if part were female and part were male
and they deserve our mercy and compassion the
big test on gays comes from God ..is will we
love them as they are.

I understand a lot of people are afraid and
want to hold on to their beliefs and try
to fit a square pet in a round hole..but if
you really look at a gay...listen to a gay
see how they act...observe ..within you
it would come out..wow! these people are born
that way...then you can take it from there
a lot of baggage and shackles fall off..they
you can start humanizing these people and
have compassion.

I do think there is sexual perversion from
from just plain sexual pollution ..hetero to
homosexual..and there is a blurring of
hetero into homosexual because of pure sexual
addiction..and getting a fix on your addiction
but I would say 90% of all gays are born the
way they are.

Should we remove posts that debate weather
gays are born gay or should we debate it..
It is sooooooooooooooo easy to kill the
messenger because of actually believeing
that people are born half male/half woman
and that they need our compassion....so instead
of trying to destroy free expression and how some
one feels the holy spirit is helping them
understand...tell me your story of why gays
are not born that way.

Little Flock Baptist Church

Rogers Arkansas

 

I understand a lot of people are afraid and
want to hold on to their beliefs and try
to fit a square [PET] peg in a round hole..but if
you really look at a gay...listen to a gay
see how they act...observe ..within you
it would come out..wow! these people are born
that way...then you can take it from there
a lot of baggage and shackles fall off..then
you can start humanizing these people and
have compassion.

I did not mean pet but it was funny

 

I respectfully disagree..I believe in my heart
that she was born that way...God sent the
Holy Spirit to help us..on a day to day..hour
by hour..minute by minute..second by second
basis...if you really deep in your heart ask
God to help you with a question and its about
gays ..he will help you through the holy
spirit....right here ..right now..through a
process...that leads to a conclusion...I too
used to think like so many on this board but
I made a discovery and it helped me..it helped
me to understand ..that gays are a true minority
that are born between being a man and a woman
and I know from knowing them as coleagues and
church goers they struggle very hard to find
there way in a world that is a majority of
heteros.

 

ASLAN,
you say "through a process....that leads to a conclusion...." . When a person does the "process" thing without the boundary of the Word of God it is pure MYSTICISM. Your position is based clearly on experience and not the Defined Word. To be a Baptist, one must acknowledge that the Word of God is the only standard for faith and practice.
Bro Blackbird, good to see you pluggin' away ..once again.
Thanks ------Bart

 

Posted by Aslanspal: I respectfully disagree..I believe in my heart
that she was born that way...God sent the
Holy Spirit to help us..on a day to day..hour
by hour..minute by minute..second by second
basis...

In the garden we were cursed and given over to the God of this world. Until salvation we cannot expect the help of the Holy Spirit. We are not His.

Jn. 8:44 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Prior to salvation we are already condemned. That is why we need a savior.

Jn. 3:18 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

If the homosexual wants a relationship with God, he can have it. However the person must get saved in order to do that. We are to come as we are and we are to repent. Once a homosexual sees what God would have him or her to do and doesn't repent but continues to engage in this activity they need to rethink their Christianity.

We all sin and continue to do so. We are not perfect. But when a person becomes a Christian and God is speaking through His word, we must take it at face value. There is no such thing as a struggle for Christian homosexuals. They are either obedient or not. God's word is clear on this issue. There are alot of religious homosexuals but are there really Christian practising homosexuals? God destroyed two cities and has sent the AIDS plague. You tell me.

 

for the record I am Aslanspal not Aslan but
would like to be like him

I still stand on the holy spirit and how he
helps the believer...now please take a look..
take a listen...and answer honestly

are they born that way

perhaps we need a secret ballot

I think a lot of people may agree

because they have friends,family, and work friends that are gay and experience them on
a daily basis...its easy to take pot shots
from a distance with a bible verse
or espouse some theological theme it really is
all for naught...you must get to know them and
see with your eyes and listen with your ears and
respond with your heart.

I used to believe like each and every one of you
but having worked with gays the bias that I was
taught dropped and concluded these people are
really telling the truth when they say.

"This is who I am"

In my humble opinion Mary Cheney was born gay
along with millions of others ..God accepts
them for how they were born and so do I...
God really does take us as we are ..and who
am I to condemn.

sincerely

Aslanspal

People are born either male or female no confusion

People can be born gay because of a hybrid confusion that causes maleness in women and
femininity in men.

 

Aslanspal,
This is a forum where your opinions, feelings and stray beliefs don't really matter. God's Word reigns supreme. There is no struggle here. It's God's way period.

I know some gay people as well and they like everyone else are likable people. It doesn't make it right because they are great people. If they are saved, the Holy Spirit will lead them out. If they don't repent after knowing the truth, it is doubtful they are saved.

 

I have a Masters degree in Biology. What are your credentials? What scientific evidence can you present for your imaginary view (your simple opinion) that homosexual is based on a genetic flaw at birth. There is no evidence in the scientific community that this is true. And, no doubt, there never will be.

Adultery is sin, a lifestyle for some, a choice one makes--not a defect at birth.
Fornication is sin--a choice one makes--not a defect at birth.

Look here what the Bible says:
Exodus 22:19 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.
--Is bestiality also a lifestyle that is caused by a birth defect--an abnormal gene. No, it is a horrible choice that some sick person would make out of their depraved mind.

And the same is true with any homosexual. It is a choice that is made, having nothing to do with any genetic defect at birth. It's cause is depravity--sin. A person chooses illicit sex outside of marriage--all kinds of illicit sex, including homosexuality. It isn't a sickness, an abnormality, etc. It is sin, plain and simple. Don't wander outside the parameters of God's Word. Prove or demonstrate from God's Word that it is not sin. That is where this discussion lies. Our authority as Baptists is the Bible. If you don't have an interest in discussing things based on God's Word then you don't belong here.
DHK

 

I have a Masters degree in Biology. What are your credentials? What scientific evidence can you present for your imaginary view (YOUR SIMPLE OPINION) that homosexual is based on a genetic flaw at birth. There is no evidence in the scientific community that this is true. And, no doubt, there never will be.

I want to admonish you gently ..it is wrong
per scripture to call anybody stupid or simple.

I have no scienetific research just came to
the conclusion like I said before through
the help of the holy spirit (the helper) just
really seeing and listening ..I used to have
the bias and fear as you...but imho they are
born that way...no I do not know the science
and don't pretend to...we probably could google
it to death and bash it other with opposing
views..I may be the only one who believe this
so be it ..but I will survive you calling me
simple ..it hurts and others have said hurtful
things lots of misquotes or putting words in my
mouth.. to offend me...I think the holy spirit
will reveal truth..I really do.

thanks for your patience

sincerely

Aslanspal

 

This is my last post on this subject..if I have
offended ..then forgive me..and let time pass

now over at the lehaye subject I agree with you

amen!

 

I disagree that Mary Cheney was born gay. I believe her mother influenced her lifestyle choice with her acceptance and even embracing the idea, romanticizing it in her novel.

 

Quoted by Aslanspal: I have no scienetific research just came to the conclusion like I said before through the help of the holy spirit (the helper) just really seeing and listening...

I don't want to insult or be hurtful to you in any way. But you have to get something strait.

Stop saying the Holy Spirit is helping you to draw these conclusions. He isn't telling you one thing and the rest of us something else. You either accept what God says or don't. But don't try to garnish your view with the leading and approval of God. Too many people understand the bible on this site for you to get away with that!