homosexual revenge

Homosexuality is a sin, just like any other sin, but God loves a repentant sinner!

Tim...where in the Bible does it say that God only loves "repentant sinners?" I may not realize and benefit from God's love by remaining unrepentant ... but God loves even while I am a sinner ... in fact He sent Christ to die for us while we were yet sinners.

 

Matt 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

But, He only "gathers" the repentant ones.

 

This idea is getting old, & just proves the Goering(I think) statement that "If you tell a big enough lie, and tell it often enough, people will believe it"; or something to that effect!

This is the ONLY sin (to my knowledge) that has it's own "civil rights"; sorta like aids.

There are no adulterers claiming that they have "just an alternate lifestyle"; no murderers seeking special acceptance of their crimes; no drunks claiming special legislation "because I was born this way" etc. etc. ad infinitum!!

The only reason queers are in the limelight is because THEY demand that everybody else accept them as moral equals.

Basically, if they would just shut up and refuse to "come out of the closet" when nobody's looking for them, they could do their thing and probably 99+% of the public would never know or care.

To put it simpler, we are not singling them out, they are singling themselves out; then complaining about all the negative publicity.

I have much pity for them because:

1 So many CHRISTIANS have bought into the lie that the bible doesn't say what it says, thereby creating a false "Godly acceptance" to the sinner

2 The popular acceptance of this "alternate lifestyle" has convinced many that they are just as normal as anybody else & see (don't want?) no need to get out of this lifestyle.

3 That too many CHRISTIANS are so loving, that they(Christians) will love them (queers) right into hell.

4 That so many could be salvaged IF it weren't so PC to be queer.

Edited to add:
Let the fires of PC rain down; I will take the word of God as written, sans revisionism! I will not be moved on this topic by PC re-interpretations!! MARANATHA

 

just-want-peace.

Exactly. That is the problem. They want us to accept their evil lifestyle and lie to them and tell them it fine. We are not to condone nor partake of their evil deeds.

Oh, and why when people try to point out the abomination someone always comes and says yeah, but what about the other sins? Well the discussion isn't about other sins. Who would condone those either.

Adam and Eve did the same thing when confronted on their personal sin. Oh look at the serpent it was his fault when he told me your word was a lie. Oh, look at the woman you gave me, she told me to eat. Same ole same ole. Don't point out my sin look at so and so, aren't they as bad. Well God says you're all evil! Repent (turn from your sin) and be saved.

 

exactly, sin is sin. However, Jesus loved the sinner while rejecting the sin... True tolerance is just that, love them and tell them, in love, that they are sinners. Christ died for all of us. We cannot allow them to beleive they can continue in the sin. We must help them to repent and grow in the Lord's grace.

 

What!? Civil rights are like AIDS? What a bizarre statement.

Except that just isn't true.

Adulterers used to be prosecuted as criminals and be fired from their jobs on that basis - now that would be violating their civil rights. Murderers get off on self-defense and temporary insanity; they do seek to get off for mental retardation, post traumatic stress syndrom, etc. Ever hear of the "Twinkie Defense"?

Drunks used to get off homocide charges all the time because they were drunk and temporarily incapacitated - even now they rarely do time. Drunks have got genetic predisposition to alcoholism recognised as a medical condition with its attendent benefits. Large-scale employers have a difficult time firing employees for drunkeness if the employee is in treatment.

Open your eyes and look around; you'll see if you look.

Most would settle for legal equals.

That was tried and found not to work. Is it really "better" to be a deceitful weasel than to be openly gay?

They are constantly singled out for harrassment and contempt. Who are you kidding? How many threads in this forum alone have singled them out for comment?

Your pity feels suspiciously like self-righteous contempt.

 

Then none of us will be "gathered". Everyone on this board has sins that have not yet been repented of. Myself included.

 

Except that just isn't true.
Adulterers used to be prosecuted as criminals and be fired from their jobs on that basis - now that would be violating their civil rights. Murderers get off on self-defense and temporary insanity; they do seek to get off for mental retardation, post traumatic stress syndrom, etc. Ever hear of the "Twinkie Defense"?</font>[/QUOTE]I haven't seen anyone here condone adultery or murder. Adulters may claim their civil rights would be violated but I don't think God is going to fall for that excuse when they face him. I just don't see him excusing it because our world system does. That is the difference. You are also misinformed on the "twinkie defense" http://www.snopes.com/legal/twinkie.htm

Alcoholism may be supposedly medically recognized that doesn't mean the medical profession is right. I know that there was a time when people looked up to the medical profession as if they had all truth and doctors were God, but those days are over. People finally realized they are fallible humans like the rest of us.

Where did you get the information that drunks used to get off all the time? If they did it is because the courts didn't take it seriously. It is a problem with the justice system. Still, God is not going to accept excuses. Drunks were and are charged with manslaughter not first degree murder. There is a big difference in sentencing for first degree vs. manslaughter. You know, premeditated, planned vs. got drunk and careless but not intending to kill someone.

Drunks have no more predisposition to drink than anyone has to another sin. Sin is in the nature of fallen man. Each person yields to his sin of choice. I was a drunk or as the medical profession says an "alcoholic". Christ delivered me completely. I am glad I didn't fall for the lie that I was predisposed, it would be an excuse to continue falling back and excusing it because well, I just can't help it, I am an alcoholic you know. Large-scale employers may have a difficult time firing people because they have bought into the lie that it just can't be helped. Once an alcoholic always an alcoholic. Now please don't tell me I must not have really been an alcoholic, if I said that to a doctor or therapist they would tell me I was "in denial'

I think you need to open your eyes to the fact that you have fallen for the system the world spoon feeds us every day as if it were truth. If God sees it as sin and says we can overcome sin, then we can and do through turning from that sin and clinging to Christ. Not excusing it because we are "predisposed".

They already have that. They want elevated status. They want to be recognized and accepted for their sin. And you think Christians should say ok? The world system will accept it eventually, God won't. Nor should his people.

First, it isn't a matter of being a "deceitful weasel". It is a matter of not flaunting ones sins before others and expecting others to condone that behavior. Oh, It worked until they demanded their perverse lifestyle be accepted, most people ignored it as long as they didn't push it in their face. Most people try as a rule to mind their own business when it comes to another person's personal life.

First most homosexuals as a rule earn more than the average American midle class male. Not counting lesbians, of course most women earn less than men. They aren't singled out for harassment, again I haven't seen anyone here trying to push other sins as acceptable. Start a thread about how you are predisposed to having sexual relations with someone other than your spouse if you are married, and that you just are that way. See if people agree that is acceptable. You should be rolling your eyes at your own reasoning because it is flawed.

I don't see where speaking out against sin is being self-righteous. We are sinning if we tell people it is okay to continue in their sin and God will find it acceptable. We are not to condone their sin or we become partakers of their evil deeds and will be held accountable. The truth of God's word is an offense to those that are perishing. I also think you follow your feelings over God's word. We are not to lean unto our own understanding. Following our feelings leads to deception. What you believe is not lining up with God's word

 

Squeezing this in:

Elnora,

Much of what you say is true.

However, I was replying to Just-wants-peace's claim "There are no adulterers claiming that they have "just an alternate lifestyle"; no murderers seeking special acceptance of their crimes; no drunks claiming special legislation "because I was born this way" etc. etc. ad infinitum!!" as though she were speaking of the world, not just as a Baptist. I'm still not sure how she meant it, but chances are that you have it right.

BTW, congratulations on your recovery and may God continue to give you the strength in against alcoholism.

 

I'm assuming you refer to my comment about all of us having sins we have yet to repent from.

It's not quite that dimplistic. Salvation is twofold: Acceptance and repentance. First we must accept Christ as Savior, and as such accept the gift of salvation given to us via Christ. This is something we do once. Second is repentance. Repentance is not something we do only once. We, as sinners, continually sin. Hence, we must continually repent. At any given time, we all have sins that we have not yet repented of. To believe that we only have to repent once and be done with it is incorrect.

Hence, God does not only "gather" the repentant. God gathers all those who have accepted Christ as Savior, whether or not they have repented of all their sins. No one on this board, including myself, has completely repented of every single sin that has been committed.

Certainly, proclaiming that it is not a sin is an issue. But to likewise proclaim that heterosexuals are repentant while homosexuals are not is pure falsehood. Such thought leads to self-righteousness.

 

Thank you Daisy,

You see I don't need congratulations, I didn't do any thing, not one! To be delivered means freed! I don't need continued strength. Christ won that battle for me. I am not even tempted. I can have one drink and not return. I have. Two reasons I don't. One He absolutely took the desire from me and second I would not because I would not want to cause someone else to stumble. If people could grasp that, thay can overcome any sin through Christ!

 

Per Murph:

Per The Squire's Prior Warning, this thread is now closed.

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