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How about them Pistons

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  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    The Pistons won one championship in 2004 after over a decade in the NBA wilderness and their fans think they are practically unbeatable. [​IMG]
     
    #61 KenH, Dec 18, 2005
  2. Timtoolman

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    The pt is they won it KenH. Why is it so hard fopr you? All the chopping you do on Detroit pistons matters little. The are a great team with little or not talent, according to you, and yet they manage to be there at the top.

    SA won last year, I have no problem admitting too it! But I also have the right to wonder and expresss that it might have been different if the Pistons had'nt been tired in the tougher division.
    I think it was you who was hoping Maimi would beat Detroit up so that sA would have a chance. It wasn't me who said that.
    If you and SBC don't like being brought up on here....guess what?! Tough cookies. Get a glass of milk too go with em. shesssh

    And KenH, They will be there and I take your bet. Either way it will be good to not have too read your drooling, foaming, post on how you dislike the Pistons.
     
    #62 Timtoolman, Dec 18, 2005
  3. jstrickland1989

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    Well, if the Spurs would have all died in a plane crash before the finals, then Detroit would have won easily. If Duncan would have got sick with cancer and died, then Detroit may have pulled it out. But none of those things happened. Good teams find a way to win no matter what. And Tired? Cmon dude! Excuses,excuses, and oh yeah, excuses. The Pistons have been great in the regular season for just about 4 years now, but yet they only have 1 championship. While the Spurs have 2. I gotta give the edge to the Spurs this year. They may prove me wrong, but I doubt it.

    James
     
    #63 jstrickland1989, Dec 18, 2005
  4. PastorSBC1303

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    The Pistons have been a great team so far this season. No doubt about it. They have the best team in the East.

    You admit to the fact that they won the championship [​IMG] You have to do that...but you still will not admit that SA was the better team. All you do is make excuse, after excuse as to why Detroit lost. Come on guys...say it with me...SA won the championship and they were the better team last year. I know you can do it. [​IMG]

    Sorry no cookies for me....low carb lifestyle...but I will take the milk, that is if it is low carb [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
    #64 PastorSBC1303, Dec 19, 2005
  5. ccrobinson

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    Pastor Larry wrote:

    Throughout last season, much was made about how the Western conference was so much tougher than the Eastern conference. And it was. There were 3 teams in the West that had a better record than the Pistons. Overall, the record of the teams in the West was better than those of the East. The evidence doesn't support your contention that the Eastern conference was tougher.

    Now, when it's convenient, the point is brought up that the Pistons played the supposed tougher Eastern conference. In reality, the Spurs played the tougher Western conference opponents, including beating the #1 seeded Suns, who were 3 games better than the Spurs.

    The Spurs may have been more rested, but that's because they took care of business in the West quickly. They earned whatever extra rest they had, and they did it against tougher teams. This poor, tired excuse of why the Pistons lost the Finals is just that, an excuse.
     
    #65 ccrobinson, Dec 19, 2005
  6. PastorSBC1303

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    ccr, excellent points.
     
    #66 PastorSBC1303, Dec 19, 2005
  7. Pastor Larry

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    ACtually, my point was about the playoffs, not the season. The eastern conference playoffs were much tougher than the Western Conference.

    In a weaker Western conference, over all.

    One person says I have yet to see one time on here any Detroit fan come out and simply admit that San Antonio won. That is clearly wrong. We have admitted they won. But to say that the Spurs are a "better team" is different than saying that the Spurs won the championship. They did the latter. They are not clearly the former. They may be ... but not clearly, and certainly they didn't show it last year in the finals.

    That is the problem with tournaments. They are not always about the "best team." They are about the team that wins at the right time.

    So far this year, the Pistons are clearly the best team in the NBA. We will see what happens at the end.

    [ December 19, 2005, 01:24 PM: Message edited by: Pastor Larry ]
     
    #67 Pastor Larry, Dec 19, 2005
  8. PastorSBC1303

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    The west was by far the tougher conference last year, and is by far the tougher conference this year. Anyone that thinks otherwise pays no attention to the entire NBA.

    The Pistons are the best team in a weak Eastern Conference. If they were in the West they would not have the same record.
     
    #68 PastorSBC1303, Dec 19, 2005
  9. Timtoolman

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    I agree this season they are SBC but not last year. And I hope that SA doesn't get beat up in the playoffs so we can beat them rested and ready.
    Someone brought up last year that they hope the heat and pistons beat each other up. Well I think they did. Only because Ben got some fresh legs and did well against tim and won. Yes SA was the better team during the play offs. but can you say that after the Pistons play offs against more physical teams, that is did not affect their play? That they weren't more tired? I am saying it is a big possibility. it still took them 7 games. And one Rasheed really gave up too by leaving his man wide open. so you can sit there and say that you KNOW for sure that they were the better team over all? If you feel that way fine. We are still entitled to our ifs. And they are legit!
     
    #69 Timtoolman, Dec 19, 2005
  10. Timtoolman

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    DBL Post.

    [ December 19, 2005, 02:06 PM: Message edited by: Timtoolman ]
     
    #70 Timtoolman, Dec 19, 2005
  11. Timtoolman

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    Well, if the Spurs would have all died in a plane crash before the finals, then Detroit would have won easily. If Duncan would have got sick with cancer and died, then Detroit may have pulled it out. But none of those things happened. Good teams find a way to win no matter what. And Tired? Cmon dude! Excuses,excuses, and oh yeah, excuses. The Pistons have been great in the regular season for just about 4 years now, but yet they only have 1 championship. While the Spurs have 2. I gotta give the edge to the Spurs this year. They may prove me wrong, but I doubt it.

    James     </font>[/QUOTE]I would have agreed. I said before the playoffs last year I would rather beat a healthy SA and Indiana team then a hurt one. If one of those things would have happened you would have lost for sure then you would have said. Hey tim died in a car accendent. I don't think that you would have won. I would have to concedd the pt to you. Cept now if that happens I will just say to you...hey good teams will find a way to win, hmmph.
    It is a legit "I wonder" if you don't like then I guess we all will just ask you if its okay if we don't think. .............nah. It still took them 7 games.
    And heres another "I think" Gnobli is the crazeist, out of control player I have ever seen make the NBA. He runs in the middle with his head down and ends up charging. but the NBA has decided to make a star out of him.....I think.
     
    #71 Timtoolman, Dec 19, 2005
  12. PastorSBC1303

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    Oh really Tim?

    Lets look at the records from last year:

    East:

    Miami 59-23

    Detroit 54-28

    Chicago 47-35

    Boston 47-35

    Washington 47-35

    Indiana 44-38

    West:

    Phoenix 62-20

    SA 59-23

    Dallas 58-24

    Houston 51-31

    Sacramento 50-32

    Denver 49-33

    The teams in the West were clearly better than the East.
     
    #72 PastorSBC1303, Dec 19, 2005
  13. 4His_glory

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    Well consider how many top Western Conferance teams the Pistons have already beaten this year. I would contend that they indeed would have the same record. You take any team out there and watch them play and compare it to the consistency of the Pistons, and you will find that Detroit just has that edge. It doesn't mean they are unbeatable because they are. But they play with incredible consistency both defensivly and offensivly.
     
    #73 4His_glory, Dec 19, 2005
  14. PastorSBC1303

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    Maybe the would have the same record....but they still are the best team in a weak conference. The west in an overall stronger conference and if the Pistons were playing there they would be facing tougher competition night in and night out.
     
    #74 PastorSBC1303, Dec 19, 2005
  15. ccrobinson

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    Pastor Larry wrote:
    :rolleyes:

    In a tournament like the NCAA, sure, the best team doesn't always win, but in the NBA, with the best of 7 format, the best team does win the playoffs. I'm not saying that the Pistons were overmatched, because they clearly weren't. The Spurs were a marginally better team. If Game 7 had been at Auburn Hills, I think the Pistons might have won. But, the game was at San Antonio and the Spurs were the better team.

    There needs to be an emoticon for banging one's head against a brick wall. ;)

    The best teams were in the West. The evidence just doesn't support your contention.

    Let me ask this. Were the Pistons a better team than the Heat? Couldn't Heat fans (of which I have been falsely accused of being) make excuses for why they didn't beat the Pistons? Don't they have similar arguments to why Detroit didn't beat San Antonio? So, please tell me why these arguments would be invalid and your arguments valid?

    Timtoolman wrote about Ginobili:

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    PastorSBC, this explains everything. The Finals result was a conspiracy by David Stern to make a star out of Manu Ginobili. Why didn't we think of this "legit" if?

    We ought to create a law similar to Godwin's Law. As soon as somebody cries conspiracy in a debate, the debate is over and the one who cried conspiracy loses. :D

    Now, where is that "banging-one's-head-against-the-wall" emoticon when we really need it? [​IMG]
     
    #75 ccrobinson, Dec 19, 2005
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    Pastor, does the west play more teams in the west then the east? And The east play more teams in the east?

    CCRobinson, have a pacifier! I didn't go that far. He is no Jordon or Larry Bird. Just a guy out of control. I am entitled to my opinion and not to have it distorted. I don't think any players should get special treatment yet we know they do, right? The rules are the rules.
     
    #76 Timtoolman, Dec 19, 2005
  17. KenH

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    The Spurs were clearly the better team in the NBA finals. They won the NBA championship.

    So much excuse making for the loser Detroit Pistons by their unable-to-admit-reality fans.
     
    #77 KenH, Dec 19, 2005
  18. KenH

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    We will miss your posts on this board, Tim, if the matchup happens but I am glad to see there is at least one Pistons fan on this board with guts.
     
    #78 KenH, Dec 19, 2005
  19. Timtoolman

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    Just a die hard for a real team playing team basketball. (not saying SA isn't)
    And don't kid me, you won't miss my post. I will miss yours either way they are entertaining.
    Christmas Day, showdown at the palace. SA vs Pistons.
     
    #79 Timtoolman, Dec 19, 2005
  20. KenH

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    Christmas Day game = one regular season game = 1.2195121% of the season.

    I'm interested in the Spurs winning another NBA championship, not merely one regular season game.

    I guess, Tim, that you need to learn what is important in sports - championships - not one regular season game out of 82. ;)
     
    #80 KenH, Dec 19, 2005
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