How american Liberals view American Conservative Christians.

Okay - back to the issue please fellas. We are abour even on the insults, so lets move on.

 

King James: Read the links posted and you will see that the ruling has to do with Quebec and not with national health. This is typical of McCarthyism..if a person wears a red tie they are a commie. You will find that there are some here not worthy of a response. They twist facts and manufacture what people supposedly said. They would rather attack a person.

On the waiting list; it is only in given areas. I have suffered 6 strokes over the years and never waited once, but if I wanted specific knee surgery, I might have to wait for space or a doctor. There is a doctor shortage around the world and not just in Canada. Maybe our demands for excellence in medicine is partly to blame for the doctor shortage in Canada.

Convince a fool against his will and you just have a convinced fool!

Cheers,

Jim

 

Here's one from Ottowa....
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"Maybe our demands for excellence in medicine is partly to blame for the doctor shortage in Canada."

Or maybe they wanted to succeed in a highly stressful occupation, and the restrictions put on them by Canada made it impossible.

 

Good points Jim. I believe our health system does demand excellence.

Bro.Curtis...you are actually using a LIBERAL to make a case? I gotta hand it to ya...

It was conservatives who destroyed our once great health care system and liberals who made it even worse.

Now here's a question to make a point and not to start a fight. Why are you so concerned about what's going on in my country when you have enough to deal with in your own? I have been told countless times on this site to mind my own business when it comes to issues in your country...

C4K...no insults. I bit my lip and played nice. lol

 

Canadians should stop making the charge that people in the USA lack medical treatment or get bad treatment. It is totally false.

Medicaid, medical welfare, pays for all those who cannot pay for themselves if they are disabled. If they are not disabled but poor, then they go to the County Hospital here in Indianapolis where they are given free treatment administered by the University of Indiana Medical School, once of the better medical schools in the USA.

Canada rips off the American consumer by cashing in on American research and development but not paying for it by being willing to pirate drugs developed by American companies such as Eli Lilly here in Indianapolis. Eli Lilly either sells cheap or is stolen from. Some choice. They sell cheap and pass the costs on to the American consumer. So of course our costs are higher than the socialized countries. We pay for what we get. We believe that stealing is wrong.

 

It was a canadian who stuck his face in here and told us how much better off someone would be if they had Canada's socialized health care. That is what got me to respond.

I ask the same to you. Given the title of the O/P, why would you even be here ?

And I may poke fun at a system, but I don't recall any personal insults, either.

 

Every doctor I know does hundreds of volunteer hours a year, and every doctor I know has 5 digits in his acounts recievable blotter. The thought that American doctors only help the rich is completely false.

 

We pay for what we get too. It's called taxes. You guys being against taxes, obviously consider it stealing.

Why do you think it is stealing? Every citizen has the RIGHT to medical treatment whether they can afford it or not. So do Americans...unless the right to life and liberty is nothing but a campfire song.

There are people in the U.S. who lack medical treatment. Fact. Now if you "pay for what you get" do you consider those who can't afford it to be "stealing"? Or do you think those who can't afford it should have to get off their broken legs, etc. and work 4 jobs in order to pay for it? Just wonderin...

 

Hey BC...I was in here because I don't care if people say I should mind my own business since I am not American. I was only asking you the question because it gets asked of me a lot. Had it not been, I would not ask you. Besides, I was just defending my country.

As for doctors only helping the rich it is a logical result. You "pay for what you get". Poor people can't afford it so they don't get it. If they do, they are "stealing". I know those weren't your words but they were cmg's.

cmg...can you share with us how the States rips off Canada in various ways now?

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As for doctors only helping the rich it is a logical result.

No, it is not. Have you ever been here for health care ? Were you ever refused treatment in America because you were poor ?

I grew up dirt poor. I never was refused treatment. I had an emergency appendectomy at 7, needed stitches several times, had a hernia as a child.

I'll say it again, the myth of American doctors only treating the rich is a lie, but it does boost the libby stance of "America needs socialiized (commie) medicine"...

 

I see you can't resist implying I am a commie.

So because YOU were never refused treatment means that nobody was ever refused treatment? I have never been refused treatment in America because I was poor but I know of it happening. I am going to keep it in confidence though and if you don't believe me, that's fine. I know what I know.

Yes it is the logical result. If they DIDN'T only help the rich then the poor who get help are STEALING...according to cmg's philosophy.

 

I think it is pretty common and I thought well known . The poor are not going to get an expensive treatment of procedure they can not pay for in the US.

 

Please leave me out of CMG's arguments. I didn't say you were ripping us off, and I never called you a commie. You tried a socialist approach to health care, and it failed. That's what I said. And I didn't say it to you. I said it to someone who claimed folks would be better off under canada's system.

Socialism=Communism.

 

The poor are not going to get an expensive treatment of procedure they can not pay for in the US.

Another lie. I knew several folks, in my oncology group, that were getting Chemo, and radiation treatment, and didn't have health insurance.

 

I recall saying that "I know those weren't your words but they were cmg's..." didn't I?

Also...I had to use what he said to prove my point. If you don't want to debate with me then I won't waste my time. Still...I know I had a point and that has made my miserable rainy day a little brighter.

I don't care WHO you said it too...this is a message board. But I will be sure to quote you when someone says something to me and I wasn't addressing them? Is the quote free or will you charge a copyright fee? I don't want to steal ya know.

Conservatism=Fascism.

 

So they were stealing?

 

There is no debate. Canada failed in it's attempt to bring free health care to everyone. That is a fact. If America tries it, we will fail also.

 

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So they were stealing? </font>[/QUOTE] </font>[/QUOTE]You can roll your eyes all you want. I asked a logical question based on cmg's philosophy. A conservative would say those people had no health insurance because they couldn't afford it (so they shouldn't get treatment) or they would say they are just lazy and should get off their butts and buy health insurance. A conservative would say...they are stealing. Good afternoon...and may God bless America...