BobRyan
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As already stated - even Peter rejected the RC practice (that evolved over time) of baptizing infants.
And obviously - we have no example of such baptisms taking place for infants EVEN in the Baptisms that were done BEFORE the cross.
But what is "really interesting" is the RC confession of how they evolved this error. (Hmm "Evolved" and "Confession", evolution and the confessional - two other doctrines that the RC evolved - seem to fit right in here. But that is another story.)
Cath Digest article Parenthhesis mine in the quotes below from the June 1999 article.
Please see www.catholicdigest.org for the full article that hints to the changes that have evolved over time.
In Christ,
Bob
And obviously - we have no example of such baptisms taking place for infants EVEN in the Baptisms that were done BEFORE the cross.
But what is "really interesting" is the RC confession of how they evolved this error. (Hmm "Evolved" and "Confession", evolution and the confessional - two other doctrines that the RC evolved - seem to fit right in here. But that is another story.)
Cath Digest article Parenthhesis mine in the quotes below from the June 1999 article.
Please see www.catholicdigest.org for the full article that hints to the changes that have evolved over time.
And then there is the RC Historian Thomas Bokenkotter AFFIRMING the evolutionary picture we see in the quotes above."Tacking on a little here and dropping a bit there has never altered the essence of the sacrament itself, but by the middle ages, the rite had evolved into something very different from that used by the early Christians".
Pg 44 "go into the world and proclaim the gospel...whoever believes and is baptized will be saved. The new testament does not tell us how the apostles baptized, but, church historians say, most likely a candidate stood in a river or public bath and water was poured over his or her head. The person was asked : do you believe in the father? Do you believe in the son? Do you believe in the spirit? With each "yes" the candidate was immersed.
Justin Martyr (100-165) offered a bare-bones description:"
"the candidate prays and fasts "-
"the church community prays and fasts with him"
"the candidate enters the water"
"the minister asks him the three Trinitarian questions"
"the candidate now is introduced into the assembly"
pg 45"half a century later the writer Tertullian gave a few more details. He talked about an anointing, a signing of the cross and an outstretched hand over the candidate. For those first centuries after Christ, the steps required to become baptized were not taken lightly. Often, they led to martyrdom"
"a candidate needed a sponsor, a member of the Christian community who could vouch for him or her. It was the sponsor who went to the bishop and testified that this was a good person. Then for years the sponsor worked, prayed, and fasted with the protege until the baptism"
"at that time, the catechumenate (coming from the greek word for instruction) had two parts. The first, a period of spiritual preparation, lasted about three years. The second began at the start of lent and included the routine of prayers, fasting, scrutinies and exorcisms.
(daily exorcisms didn't mean the candidate was possessed by the devil. Rather, he or she was in the grip of sin. The exorcisms were designed to help the individual break free)."
"Next the candidate was brought before the bishop and the presbyters (elders), while the sponsor was questioned. If the sponsor could state the candidate had no serious vices - then the bishop wrote the candidates name in the baptismal registry. More than a mere formality, this meant the candidate could be arrested or even killed if the "book of life" fell into the wrong hands"
"it was only gradually that the candidate was permitted to hear the creed or the our father. (and he or she was expected to memorize them and recite them for the bishop and the congreation)."
"after the new Christians emerged from the water and were dried off, they were clothed in linen robes, which they would wear until the following sunday. Each new member of the community would then be handed a lighted candle and given the kiss of peace"
"often it was seen as the final trump card, to be played on one's deathbed, thus assuring a heavenly reward"
"it's important to keep in mind that the doctrine of baptism developed (evolved) over time. It was not easy, for instance, determining what to do with those who seriously sinned after baptism" pg 47
"coupled with that was the role of infant baptism. (rcc) scholars assume that when the 'whole households' were baptized, it included children, even very young ones"
"but again it was the development of the doctrine, such as st. Augustine's description of original sin in the fith century that eventually made infant baptism predominant. At that point
(read change), baptism was no longer seen as the beginning of moral life, but (it became viewed) a guarantee of accpetance into heaven after death.
"in the early (dark ages) middle ages when entire tribes in northern Europe were being converted, the whole clan was
baptized if the chief chose to be...by the end of the eighth century, what before had taken weeks (of preparation and process by
non infants) had been greatly abridged. Children received three exorcisms on the sundays before easter, and on holy
saturday;..youngsters were immersed three times."
"the rite was further abridged when the tradition of child or infant receiving communion at baptism fell into disfavor.
"and because baptism was now viewed as essential for acceptance into heaven, the church offered a shorter "emergency"
rite for infants in danger of death. By the beginning of the 11th century, some bishops and concils pointed out that infants
were always in danger of sudden death and began to encourage parents not to wait until holy saturday ceremony"
FE The Faith Explained (RC commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican ii).
"baptism is the means devised by Jesus to apply to each individual soul, the atonement which he made on the cross for original sin. (for all sin?). Jesus will
not force his gift upon us, the gift of supernatural life for which he paid. He holds the gift out to us hopefully, but each of us must freely accept
it. We make that acceptance by receiving (willingly) the sacrament of baptism" pg302
"whether it is the passive acceptance of the infant or the explicit acceptance of the adult - when the sacrament is administered the spiritual vacuum
which we call original sin - disappears as God becomes present in the soul" pg 302
"by baptism we are rescued from the spiritual death into which we were plunged by the sin of Adam. In baptism God united our soul to himself.
God's love-- the Holy Spirit -- poured into our soul to fill the spiritual vacuum that was the result of the original sin. As result of this intimate union with god,
our soul was elevated to a new kind of life, a supernatural life, a sharing in god's own life.
From then on it becomes our duty to preserve this divine life.(we call it 'sanctifying grace') within us; not only to preserve it, but to
deepen and intensify it. Pg 62
after baptism the only way we can be separated from God is our own deliberate rejection of God. That happens when in full consciousness
of what we are doing, deliberately and of our free choice we refuse God our obedience in a serious matter. Pg 62 - 63
In Christ,
Bob