How did God “constitute” mankind after the fall?

[1689Dave]

Here's a brief Spurgeon sermon explaining why people hate God so much. It's about his sovereignty.

 

[tyndale1946]

Nothing happens apart from him, good, bad or accidental. Whoever controls all things is God. Otherwise, you have atheism.

“In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:” Ephesians 1:11 (KJV 1900)

The very words you speak at this time a week from now are part of your creation.

OK Dave I'm going to leave you with this and then I am going to back out... If what you say is true, then tell me how God is going to judge, what men speak against him, if he gave them the words to speak against him?... As I heard one preacher say that doesn't make good NONSENSE!... Brother Glen

Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Btw... Dave I'm backing out of this discussion and there is some new blood, some lively ones who have joined since you've been gone but I will be watching... An you and Iconoclast stick around awhile and try not to get banned!

 

[percho]

How did God “constitute” mankind after the fall?


Before the, "fall," man was constituted to become a sinner.
After the, "fall," man was constituted a sinner.

Because before God said, "Let there be light," that good, which he divided from, the darkness, he was planning to destroy the sinner from the beginning, the devil, and his works.

That required, one, subject to the death of which the devil had the power thereof, which is brought forth by the sin. James 1:14,15

That is the very reason God made man of the dust of the earth.

for to vanity was the creation made subject -- not of its will, but because of Him who did subject it -- in hope, Romans 8:20 -- That applied the very moment the very good man was created in the image of his creator. He was already going to need to be adopted as a son of God. He was going to need the adoption to whit, the redemption of the body.

Redemption, foreordained before the foundation of the world.

 

[1689Dave]

OK Dave I'm going to leave you with this and then I am going to back out... If what you say is true, then tell me how God is going to judge, what men speak against him, if he gave them the words to speak against him?... As I heard one preacher say that doesn't make good NONSENSE!... Brother Glen

Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Btw... Dave I'm backing out of this discussion and there is some new blood, some lively ones who have joined since you've been gone but I will be watching... An you and Iconoclast stick around awhile and try not to get banned!

Getting banned is a small price to pay compared to others they killed because of the truth.

You are missing the entire point of the prayer. Did God lead David into temptation? It says the King's heart is in the hand of the Lord..... and he turns it wherever he wants to. Have you ever had a besetting sin that God led you into a deeper involvement to make you sick of it? And cause you to sincerely repent? It's all part of the Christian experience. Try to say "I do not understand" instead of denying Christ's own words.

 

[Alan Gross]

There are some who claim that the reformed position that mankind, because of the fall, is unable to seek God for salvation (without His intervention) due to their fallen nature, makes God cruel and unjust for requiring something (faith) they are unable to give.

They also claim that such belief makes God responsible for man’s sin because he was so “constituted” by God after the fall that they would always act according to their sin nature and had no choice to do otherwise.

I want to show the folly of such belief.

God most certainly determined the consequences of the fall including how mankind was “constituted” afterward. I’ll address spiritual inability in a moment.

To believe that makes God responsible for mankind’s rebellion goes far beyond the issue of Spiritual inability to seek God for salvation. It literally makes God the author of all sin.

When Cain’s sacrifice was rejected and he killed Abel, such belief makes God responsible for Abel’s murder because God so “constituted” Cain’s nature that he would experienced envy, jealousy, anger and hatred... making him capable of murder.

Such belief makes God responsible for every reprehensible act ever committed because of the way God “constituted” mankind.

Scripture clearly lays the responsibility for sin with Adam’s rebellion. Does that mean God didn’t “constitute” the sin nature of mankind as a consequence of the fall? Of course not, as He clearly did.

So why did God choose such harsh consequences for the fall? The answer lies in God’s nature.

God always responds according to His nature. In the case of the fall, God’s Holiness, righteousness, justice must be considered as determining the consequences of the fall, including spiritual inability to seek God for salvation.

The good news is that God’s nature also consist of love, mercy and forgiveness. Instead of leaving mankind in such a helpless condition, God chooses to intervene in the lives of those He has chosen for mercy and bring them to salvation by the power of Holy Spirit and faith in Jesus.

peace to you

"All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God" and all must suffer the punishing torment of The Eternal Lake of Fire.

The fact that it is feasibly possible for a guilty soul to escape, on The Merits of The Eternal Work of Salvation and Plan to Save ONE, or more, is Given Sole Credit to The Unmerited Grace, Irresistible, Initiated by God

and then, the Eternal reality in the Spirit Realm that God Chose to Limit the Preservation of His Children, Elect, to a particular number of individual souls, by Saving their soul WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT BIRTH FROM ABOVE, when ALL WERE TOTALLY DEPRAVED, is IN no way a position to charge the Omnipotent God with 'cruelty.

That unmitigated charge and accusation toward God is enough sin to place the sinner in The Lake of Fire, Forever.