How did Repubs "mess up" Obamacare?

[Don]

It was stated a couple of weeks ago that Republicans added to or changed the ACA, causing it to now not be as good as it was originally written.

In all sincerity, I would like to know any/all specific changes made by Republicans, Independents, Green Party, and/or any other non-Democratic representatives or senators that changed the ACA into what we have as of October 1, 2013.

 

[church mouse guy]

The problems with Obamacare go back to George W. Bush, as you know.

 

[Deacon]

To my limited knowledge, the bill passed by Congress and the President had no Republications input.
No changes have been allowed by the Senate.

The changes to the bill were made by the President without congressional approval.

Many Republican State Governors failed to develop the infrastructure for the program - - - so the federal government had to do it.

Rob

 

[Revmitchell]

To my knowledge they improved it:

What does gun control have to do with health care? As odd as it seems, Obamacare contains provisions that jeopardize gun ownership, especially for veterans. Anti-gun provisions were added to initial drafts of Obamacare legislation under the pretext of prohibiting people with mental illness – which can include PTSD - from owning guns. Fortunately, the NRA stepped in and got some of the worst language revised last December. Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c. prohibits the creation of a firearms database and stops doctors from disclosing or collecting information relating to a patient’s firearms. Ironically, this provision was probably the only positive result of most members of Congress not bothering to read the bill before voting on it.

http://townhall.com/columnists/rach...urce=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl

 

[Crabtownboy]

It was stated a couple of weeks ago that Republicans added to or changed the ACA, causing it to now not be as good as it was originally written.

In all sincerity, I would like to know any/all specific changes made by Republicans, Independents, Green Party, and/or any other non-Democratic representatives or senators that changed the ACA into what we have as of October 1, 2013.

I am not sure if this helps answer your question or not;

The one concession granted Republicans involves income verification requirements for people receiving subsidies to purchase health insurance under the law. In the absence of a final agreement in Congress, details on the deal are scant, but basically the provision is an anti-fraud measure designed to prevent someone whose income is too high to qualify for an insurance subsidy from cheating the system and getting a subsidy anyway. The new provision requires the Secretary of Health and Human Services to certify that income verification systems are in place and working properly so that only truly eligible people get subsidies. An inspector general would then be required to produce a report affirming that the program is working properly.

Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/10/16/the-gops-tiny-obamacare-ransom/#ixzz2iMMJ2F61

 

[Don]

I am not sure if this helps answer your question or not;

In context of the thread title - how did this make Obamacare worse?

 

[Crabtownboy]

In context of the thread title - how did this make Obamacare worse?

Not my call. Just posted it for information.

 

[Don]

Sorry, took me a while to find it; here's the exact wording that the thread title refers to:
The final product was seriously flawed by the Republicans' changes.

So, going back to the OP: What were the Republican changes that resulted in the ACA being seriously flawed?

Please, ACA supporters - your credibility is on the line.

 

[Don]

Not my call. Just posted it for information.

If you're going to participate in a thread, then please participate. Did the one Republican change you brought our attention to make the ACA better, worse, or negligible impact?

 

[Zaac]

Not my call. Just posted it for information.

Don't even try to explain things any more than that. Somebody is looking for a reason to argue that Republican input did not make the bill worse. If he wants to say that it didn't, he should just say it and call it a day.:laugh:

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Somebody is looking for a reason to argue that Republican input did not make the bill worse.

All your or Crabby have to do is cite one change -- a single line or word -- Republican lawmakers were able to make in the ACA, and the discussion is over.

Waiting ...

 

[InTheLight]

All your or Crabby have to do is cite one change -- a single line or word -- Republican lawmakers were able to make in the ACA, and the discussion is over.

Waiting ...

Didn't CTB do that in post #5?

 

[Revmitchell]

Didn't CTB do that in post #5?

No, nothing there shows how the repubs messed up obamacare it did not address the op in any way.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Didn't CTB do that in post #5?

No, nothing there shows how the repubs messed up obamacare it did not address the op in any way.

Agreed. In fact, it was a bone thrown to the GOP by a House- and Senate-ful of Democrats who didn't have to do anything. They had the votes without going outside the party. And the subsidies are likely something they wanted anyway. They just let the GOP have credit for it. The truth is, there is no way the GOP had any influence over anything in this misbegotten disaster of a program.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Actually, some in the GOP tried to stop it. You saw what that earned them from the "Christians" on this board.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Actually, some in the GOP tried to stop it. You saw what that earned them from the "Christians" on this board.

Yep. Found this this morning on Google Images. It may show up in my signature.

 

[Don]

Don't even try to explain things any more than that. Somebody is looking for a reason to argue that Republican input did not make the bill worse. If he wants to say that it didn't, he should just say it and call it a day.:laugh:

And there ya have it, folks. No need to provide facts, discuss them, or even attempt to base your argument on reality. Just accept what the other side says and call it a day.

And people wonder why Zaac isn't taken seriously.

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Edited to add:
When you're too lazy to actually look things up for yourself, and take to parroting the "party line," you *have* to resort to arguments like "don't even try to explain things." When you're afraid that the information you'll find will actually be counter to what you've been spouting, you *have* to resort to "don't even try to explain things."

Supporters of the ACA have been given an opportunity to educate me and possibly change my mind. I don't see them lining up to even attempt to prove themselves correct.

I despise intellectual dishonesty.

 

[Zaac]

All your or Crabby have to do is cite one change -- a single line or word -- Republican lawmakers were able to make in the ACA, and the discussion is over.

Waiting ...

You keep on waiting. What am I gonna cite it for? I'm not for socialized medicine. I just got enough sense to recognize the partnership when I see it. :laugh:

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

You keep on waiting. What am I gonna cite it for? I'm not for socialized medicine. I just got enough sense to recognize the partnership when I see it. :laugh:

An answer that comes nowhere near responding to the point.

Not my call. Just posted it for information.

Which was what this was supposed to be.

http://swampland.time.com/2013/10/16...#ixzz2iMMJ2F61​

The one concession granted Republicans involves income verification requirements for people receiving subsidies to purchase health insurance under the law. In the absence of a final agreement in Congress, details on the deal are scant, but basically the provision is an anti-fraud measure designed to prevent someone whose income is too high to qualify for an insurance subsidy from cheating the system and getting a subsidy anyway. The new provision requires the Secretary of Health and Human Services to certify that income verification systems are in place and working properly so that only truly eligible people get subsidies. An inspector general would then be required to produce a report affirming that the program is working properly.

But as Don said ...

If you're going to participate in a thread, then please participate. Did the one Republican change you brought our attention to make the ACA better, worse, or negligible impact?

... which was where you chimed in ...

Don't even try to explain things any more than that. Somebody is looking for a reason to argue that Republican input did not make the bill worse. If he wants to say that it didn't, he should just say it and call it a day.:laugh:

... which is where I said, "Waiting ... "

And I still am, because you're off-topic, or ignoring the original question. Just to clarify for those who don't have a program to follow the players. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Zaac]

Which is where I said keep waiting. I'm much more Constitutionally conservative than the majority of ya. I'm just not angry about it.:laugh: