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My personal experiences with them would be many seemed to be Kjvo, and into separation so much that even non IBF Baptist churches were very suspectSome are - some not - depends on the individual pastor/church
But on the other hand - how do you ID a Fundamental?
I consider myself a fundie - and I am affiliated with the SBC!
and not just separation but secondary separationMy personal experiences with them would be many seemed to be Kjvo, and into separation so much that even non IBF Baptist churches were very suspect
"Those present voted an enthusiastic no on each of the questions except the fourth. For all intents and purposes the affirmation of the Cotton Grove Resolutions launched the Landmark movement in the Southern Baptist Convention. Walter Shurden in his book Not a Silent People, did not fail to notice the importance of what was implied by the Cotton Grove Resolutions:1st. Can Baptists with their principles on the Scriptures, consistently recognize those societies not organized according to the Jerusalem church, but possessing different government, different officers, a different class of members, different ordinances, doctrines and practices as churches of Christ?
2d. Ought they to be called gospel churches or churches in a religious sense?
3d. Can we consistently recognize the ministers of such irregular and unscriptural bodies as gospel ministers?
4th. Is it not virtually recognizing them as official ministers to invite them into our pulpits or by any other act that would or could be construed as such recognition?
5th. Can we consistently address as brethren those professing Christianity who not only have the doctrine of Christ and walk not according to his commandments but are arrayed in direct and bitter opposition to them?[31]
"Though the term Landmarkism did not become the catchword of the movement until J. M. Pendleton used it in his 1854 tract An Old Landmark Re-set,[33] the movement gained its first adherents and initial support at the Cotton Grove Baptist Church on June 24, 1851..."In essence, these resolutions disavowed the authority of non-Baptist churches, ministers, and ordinances. The conclusions of the Cotton Grove Resolutions were clear to all: only Baptist churches are gospel churches! All other churches and denominations Graves labeled “religious societies.[32]
Interesting read and backstory, brother. Thanks for the insights and history of the Landmark Baptist brethren. Trained in schools in the North, much of the events in Tennessee and in the SBC are "foreign" to me
I grew up in Central NY - never knew about Landmark Bap - until I arrive in Germany (US Arm) I visited such a church! (the story of that one is long and extensive!) But that is when I first was given a copy of "The Trail of Blood" and informed about closed communion and their other doctrines. In Fact, at one time we had a member here on BB who was a member of that church. (small world) Off hand, I do not remember who that was - or if he is even currently on the BB.Interesting read and backstory, brother. Thanks for the insights and history of the Landmark Baptist brethren. Trained in schools in the North, much of the events in Tennessee and in the SBC are "foreign" to me
My answer is no because true fundamentalists will not waver on the faith and will insist those he walks with don't either.Are they willing to partner with us in ministry outreaches, in Vbs outreach, or?
An honest question from a neophyte, on an experience with separation that I have not understood for some years. Admittedly my lack of ability to understand has bugged me for some years. So please explain it like I'm thick as a brick, dumb as a rock, stupid as a stump, etc. Because I want to understand..
I was with a GARBC Baptist church. A local SBC church reached out about partnering for a local ministry opportunity that would last a couple of days.
The two churches were of roughly the same size. Our deacons even indicated the statements of faith between the two churches lined up. They actually thought well of the SBC church. They thought the proposed ministry was a worthwhile event, nothing wrong with it. But, still the answer was "no" on grounds of separation.
I asked, "Do you believe they are not Christians? Do you think they believe so differently that they are going to hell for it?"
The answer was they believed them Christians and saw nothing in their statement of belief they felt would send them to hell.
But, when I pressed further asking what exactly what exactly they saw that led to the decision - I never really got an answer..
In cases like this, does it just boil down to "We don't know them?" or "They are of the wrong denomination?" or is it that the other group is "Christian, and are 98% the same kind of Christian as us, but that 2% is too much of a difference?" or something else.
I guess what I'm looking for is I do understand separation in many cases. But, in cases like this - I admit - I don't understand it.
Think that we as Christians should be following the method of the Lord jesus here , as those are for Him are not against us, as all of the redeemed are part of same family of GodI grew up and was saved in a GARBC church. I am currently in a SBC church. As far as control - I see absolutely no difference between GARBC and SBC. We are just as independent as any other Independent Baptist church. The biggest difference between us and non-SBC is the way we support missions.
Did you know that back in the 90's or so there was a split in the GARBC? At the time the GARBC had an approval system for colleges, mission boards, and social agencies. The actual approval was accomplished by the Council of 18. BUT who was on that Council - many were Presidents of the mission boards, Colleges and social agencies! Another words , the chicken house was being guard by the foxes. Thus an amendment came up that anyone on the Council of 18 must be the pastor of a local affiliated church. That ideal was voted down. (Personally, I thought that was a great ideal) They came up with a compromise - the GARBC would no longer have an approval system for those organizations. The reasoning was that it should be up to the local church to decide. REALLY! How is an individual local church supposed to check up on an organization! -- Its just like trying to buy something. How is one individual suppose to fully check out something? There is a magazine that reports on products. Their approval system is that the magazine accepts no advertising - to prevent any bias in making decisions. Granted, the SBC may control the seminaries - but by doing so - they can insure they are operating in a Biblical system.
X- I agree with you, I would have no problem working with other Evangelical churches to spread the Gospel. In fact, in our town - there are two minister groups - one that accepts any church - including RC. (In fact at their national day of Prayer - they included the RC's and Mormons. Our group only includes evangelical churches. Our group is called OPEC - Oneida Pastors Evangelical Council. Our Motto - "Give me oil in my lamp, keep me burning!"
By the way - that group that split from the GARBC is the Independent Baptist Fellowship of North America.
I went to their National Association meeting (Near Utica, NY) last year - and there were only about 50 in attendance.