How Do We Make Sure Everyone Has the Opportunity to Live the American Dream?

[Salty]

Education - okay - how involved are the parents - or should we say parent or sometimes grandparent -
since the parent (s) may only be 15 years older then their child - and many of these "parents" have
not completed high school themselves.

This ed problem is a lot deeper than just $$$$

 

[Centrist]

Back in the days of the dad working and mom raising the kids and taking care of the home while dad's at work and kids in school, yeah it was easier to keep an eye on the schools and their doings with kids. As time went on, mom ends up getting a job, now mommy & daddy are too tired to deal with the school unless absolutely necessary. That leaves too much potential for mistakes and outright abuse at school. I remember when the principal used to spank me and my sister literally every chance he could. He grew up with our mom, and they didn't like each other back then or when they (allegedly) grew up. Talk about stupid. Talk about needing to grow up and get a life. Gets one to wonder where were the parents.

 

[Alcott]

How Do We Make Sure Everyone Has the Opportunity to Live the American Dream?

On the next distribution, include a free jar of Sominex.

 

[Salty]

How Do We Make Sure Everyone Has the Opportunity to Live the American Dream? ....

Exactly
what does that mean? Does the govt have to give any person $100,000 to start a business,
Or does it mean that no person should have go thur unreasonable hoops to start a business. ie permits, regulations, ect.

 

[just-want-peace]

Exactly
what does that mean? Does the govt have to give any person $100,000 a business,
Or does it mean that no person should have go thur unreasonable hoops to start a business. ie permits, regulations, ect.

I wanted to “be my own boss” back in mid 70s. Started investigating all the red tape required, & decided - - no way!!!
I HATE bureaucracy!!!!

 

[Salty]

I wanted to “be my own boss” back in mid 70s. Started investigating all the red tape required, & decided - - no way!!!
I HATE bureaucracy!!!!

That is the reason that Sony Bono ran for Congress - he got fed up with all the regulations he had to follow to open a restaurant.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

I messed up my focus in this thread. I wanted to talk about getting schools more equal and combating poverty among hardworking people.

I'll just make another two threads. One for each of these questions.

 

[Reynolds]

First, I want to explain a lack of opportunity to acquire the American Dream in my own city.

Black public schools in my city at least, are terrible compared to their white and multiracial counterparts. My city even has majority-Latino public schools that were terrible until school choice forced a change. Thank the Lord.

There are many white, black, and Latino neighborhoods in my city that are poor. Poverty is an equal opportunity problem. But to be perfectly honest some of the black neighborhoods are the poorest I have ever seen, absent a developing nation in terms of poverty. At least in Orlando.

Opportunity to succeed is not equal in Orlando between races. This means there is a big problem for minorities in terms of emotional pain and in terms of attaining the American dream.

However, employers and government services are not allowed to be racially motivated, and both jobs and government services are open to all, regardless of race or income. That at least is good.

It doesn't justify the anti-social conservative stuff coming out of the BLM movement. Neither does it demand the use of troubling concepts that are used by the "social gospel" crowd on the Left to pack in things beyond addressing racism in all its forms.

But getting schools and opportunities more equal, combating poverty among all hardworking people, and being an American Evangelical church that disciplines its own over acts and words that are racist are important to strive for.

This leads to a few questions, how do we help the working poor, orphan, and disabled (those who can but refuse to work don't count) have the American dream? How do we make schooling effective for everyone so there is more equal opportunity in our "work hard to succeed" society?

We have talked about a theology of racism, so I want to exclude that. This is a political thread.

Vote out Dems.
Vote in Republicans.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Vote out Dems.
Vote in Republicans.

Reps support school choice. That is the biggest issue.

 

[Reynolds]

Reps support school choice. That is the biggest issue.

And they oppose the NEA.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

How Do We Make Sure Everyone Has the Opportunity to Live the American Dream?

On the next distribution, include a free jar of Sominex.

 

[Roy]

Reps support school choice. That is the biggest issue.

The public school system is in such a mess, it is hard to pin point a particular issue which might be called the biggest problem.
When Christianity's status in education became relegated to something no greater than that of a man-made social construct, it created a vacuum of sorts with regard to personal values.
With minds free to embrace immoral conduct, with no respect or consideration for eternal consequences, young minds can and do find self destructive diversions to take part in. None of those diversions promote good study habits and some are totally mind-altering.
That is only one thing. Single parent homes where the mother's job seems to be having babies with any man willing to climb in bed with her.

Mixed family homes where the parents aren't married. Just trying it out for a couple of years to see if it might work out.

Party-animal parents who spend too much time drinking and nursing hang overs.

Those are my thoughts on the matter, Steven.

Using other people's money, IE tax dollars, to help people acquire the American Dream who don't want to earn it, is bad business.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

The public school system is in such a mess, it is hard to pin point a particular issue which might be called the biggest problem.
When Christianity's status in education became relegated to something no greater than that of a man-made social construct, it created a vacuum of sorts with regard to personal values.
With minds free to embrace immoral conduct, with no respect or consideration for eternal consequences, young minds can and do find self destructive diversions to take part in. None of those diversions promote good study habits and some are totally mind-altering.
That is only one thing. Single parent homes where the mother's job seems to be having babies with any man willing to climb in bed with her.

Mixed family homes where the parents aren't married. Just trying it out for a couple of years to see if it might work out.

Party-animal parents who spend too much time drinking and nursing hang overs.

Those are my thoughts on the matter, Steven.

Using other people's money, IE tax dollars, to help people acquire the American Dream who don't want to earn it, is bad business.

I understand. I would not send my future kids to public school, having been through public school. It is a nursing ground for immorality. The curriculum is terrible and derides the Christian worldview. We read something close to Buddhist religious writings in high school, and never got to hear the bible. I became a Secular in public school, and I remember how obvious a choice it was with what I was taught. I support school choice because I want vouchers for my kids to use on religious schooling. Public schools have clearly failed miserably. I hope that better explains my position.

 

[Katarina Von Bora]

Government at all levels. So, what should change at federal, state, or local level. Again this is a political set of questions, so I'm talking about the realm of government.

Maybe I'm unique, I was a political science major, so I see the government as associated with myself.

That said, it seems the government has a role to play in making the American Dream open to everyone. I mean we are citizens and voters, so these issues do fall into our court.

The less government involvement, the better. Every one in this country has the same opportunities Don't even attempt to tell me that minority schools are terrible places. I'm a teacher and I was married to a black man for 18 years. I know what horrible places these schools are. The only victims are those with physical and mental handicaps. Everyone else gets a free education and a chance to use the skills they have learned.

This is a video on the Detroit Public schools. This is Detroit where every governmental social intervention has been offered and failed. It's one of the most depressing things I have ever watched. Yet I know it is true.

The NEA is another culprit. Leftist, elite policies condemn education that they don't run. They detest private schools and have even stated in publicly that only they can teach. They have opposed homeschooling at every turn.

You don't know what freedoms people are forfeiting when they enroll their child in school. In High school they are required to provide home address and phone numbers to military recruiters. There is no opting out. The government never gives something without a return.

The only thing you can do to prove your statement is to compare the budgets for federal and state government monies. Then look at parent participation.

Remember the challenge of John F. Kennedy? JFK’s Handwritten Quote: “Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country” c. 1961

This is exactly the attitude people should have.

 

[MartyF]

The NEA is another culprit.

The NEA is a local problem. Don't make your problem everyone else's problem.

Leftist, elite policies condemn education that they don't run. They detest private schools

Like Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Columbia, NYU, USC, etc. Why do you think that large corporations running schools won't be leftist? Think Google, Facebook, Twitter - how is that working out?

They have opposed homeschooling at every turn.

Then lobby your your local state representatives. Read a civics book if you don't know how government works. Or move to Texas where more sensible people live.

You don't know what freedoms people are forfeiting when they enroll their child in school.

Unfortunately, you need to know your local law in order to exercise your freedoms and freedoms change from state to state. You really should be involved in state and local politics.

In High school they are required to provide home address and phone numbers to military recruiters. There is no opting out. The government never gives something without a return.

Laws enacted at the national and local level. This has to do with ultra-nationalists of which there are numerous on this forum.

Remember the challenge of John F. Kennedy? JFK’s Handwritten Quote: “Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country” c. 1961

I disagree. One should ask neither question. The only question a Christian should ask is "How can I serve God?"

 

[Katarina Von Bora]

The NEA is a local problem. Don't make your problem everyone else's problem.

Does this statement upset you? See, I know the facts, and the facts are that the NEA has a charter with House of Representatives. Go look it up. I've read every document (that I know of) that the NEA has made public.

NEA Resolution on Homeschooling - Washington Homeschool Organization

Like Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Columbia, NYU, USC, etc. Why do you think that large corporations running schools won't be leftist? Think Google, Facebook, Twitter - how is that working out?

Yes, exactly. You forgot Princeton. Now me, I served my country at sea during the gulf war. I obtained my My undergrad degree in Education degree from SIU, and my M.Ed. from ASU. These degrees may be too pedestrian for you, but they have served me well.

Then lobby your your local state representatives. Read a civics book if you don't know how government works. Or move to Texas where more sensible people live.

This question alone tells me that you don't I understand what I said and used it as an opportunity. to diminish me. Homeschooling is legal in all 50 states. Some states make this easy and others not so much. I am retired from the Navy now, and I run a homeschool consulting business. How do you know I haven't lived in Texas? I lived in San Antonio for many years. Did you know that they (Texas) make huge decisions on the books for the entire nation?

NEA Takes Stand Against Homeschooling - Sign the Petition - Good News Network

Unfortunately, you need to know your local law in order to exercise your freedoms and freedoms change from state to state. You really should be involved in state and local politics.

I'm very aware of the laws concerning education. I have been licensed to work as a teacher in California, Maryland, Texas, Arizona. I attend both sessions of state government and teach civics to my students.

Laws enacted at the national and local level. This has to do with ultra-nationalists of which there are numerous on this forum.

This is a non-statement. Instead of speaking to issues (which you are very unaware of) you want to blame others.

Before you go on talking about things you know nothing of, you blame others and engage in name-calling. My third graders could recite word-for-word the Preamble to the Constitution of the United States.

I disagree. One should ask neither question. The only question a Christian should ask is "How can I serve God?"

Make up your mind. Do you want to serve politics or God? Politics killed our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. What JFK said is true in the practical sense. The Bible should guide our goals and the conduct our daily lives.

I leave you with three things, a prayer for your edification, a wish for you to research before you obfuscate, and a good read.

HSLDA - Making homeschooling possible

 

[Katarina Von Bora]

The NEA is a local problem. Don't make your problem everyone else's problem.

I link I inadvertantly left out.

The NEA is not a local problem.

The NEA and Its Federal Charter By: Charles W. Baird — PSRF[/QUOTE]

 

[MartyF]

Does this statement upset you?

You’re projecting.

See, I know the facts, and the facts are that the NEA has a charter with House of Representatives. Go look it up. I've read every document (that I know of) that the NEA has made public.

NEA Resolution on Homeschooling - Washington Homeschool Organization

You completely missed the fact that states and local governments govern education. Texas and other states have very lenient home schooling requirements. You’re blaming a national boogeyman for a problem which should be resolved at the state level.

Yes, exactly. You forgot Princeton.

No I just didn't list them among the hundreds of private liberal and leftist schools.

Now me, I served my country at sea during the gulf war. I obtained my My undergrad degree in Education degree from SIU, and my M.Ed. from ASU. These degrees may be too pedestrian for you, but they have served me well.

I don't care. Your degrees have nothing to do with my argument.

You were arguing that the leftists and elitists hate private schools. I was pointing out that the opposite was true. Did Obama send his kids to public or private?

I'm very aware of the laws concerning education. I have been licensed to work as a teacher in California, Maryland, Texas, Arizona. I attend both sessions of state government and teach civics to my students.

Good. If you are really are as involved as you say you are, you should understand that education is a local issue and problem - not a national one. In fact, those who try to make it a national issue make it worse.”

This question alone tells me that you don't I understand what I said and used it as an opportunity. to diminish me.

So, re-explain yourself.

Homeschooling is legal in all 50 states. Some states make this easy and others not so much. I am retired from the Navy now, and I run a homeschool consulting business.

So, it seems like you were simply upset that people voiced opposition to homeschooling as it exists now. You don't seem to have any objection to even extremely rigid state requirements on homeschooling like New York.

How do you know I haven't lived in Texas?

Lots of people have lived in Texas, however, your manner and style screams Midwesterner/East Coast and Big City. No one in Texas talks about people hating homeschooling.

I lived in San Antonio for many years. Did you know that they (Texas) make huge decisions on the books for the entire nation?

See, this is something a Texan would never whine about. One reason why Texas use to have so much control is that they give up control. Teachers are allowed to choose their own materials and books which is definitely different from the Big City teachers who aren't trusted to even come up with their own lesson plans in some instances.

The only reason why people would complain about Texas is because they want to blame their own local problems on some outside force.

This is a non-statement. Instead of speaking to issues (which you are very unaware of) you want to blame others.

Once again, you are projecting. You are the one who complained about the schools giving names, phone numbers, and addresses to U.S. Army recruiters. Do you really think that flag-burning leftists or liberals enacted this law? No. It was clearly the flag-waving patriots who believed that every child should have the opportunity to be recruited by the U.S. armed forces. In addition, the policy has been around so long that it was likely the same way you were recruited into the U.S. Navy. So frankly, why are you whining about this?

Before you go on talking about things you know nothing of, you blame others and engage in name-calling. My third graders could recite word-for-word the Preamble to the Constitution of the United States.

I'm sorry that you considered ultra-nationalist to be name calling - it was meant as an accurate description of those who supported the policies you were offended by..

As for your third graders, I'm neither impressed nor do I see the point of the statement.

Make up your mind. Do you want to serve politics or God? Politics killed our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Once again, you're projecting.

What JFK said is true in the practical sense.

Nope. What he said was silly and stupid - as is most human wisdom.

The Bible should guide our goals and the conduct our daily lives.

I can agree with this.

a prayer for your edification

So, you pray like Pharisee - openly so that everyone can see you and give you your props.

a wish for you to research before you obfuscate

I've been pretty blunt and open and haven't obfuscated a thing.

and a good read.HSLDA - Making homeschooling possible

It's an interesting resource for those who teach homeschooling in multiple states, but otherwise is not very useful except for the trivia nature of the website.

 

[Katarina Von Bora]

You’re projecting.



You completely missed the fact that states and local governments govern education. Texas and other states have very lenient home schooling requirements. You’re blaming a national boogeyman for a problem which should be resolved at the state level.

I've done no such thing. The federal government is very much involved with local school districts. You choose not to recognize it. Tell me, what is the role of the federal government as it pertains to failing schools?

No I just didn't list them among the hundreds of private liberal and leftist schools.

These schools are a law unto themselves.

I don't care. Your degrees have nothing to do with my argument.

You were arguing that the leftists and elitists hate private schools. I was pointing out that the opposite was true. Did Obama send his kids to public or private?

I think we are talking past each other.

Good. If you are really are as involved as you say you are, you should understand that education is a local issue and problem - not a national one. In fact, those who try to make it a national issue make it worse.”

Wrong again. Each district has a board of Ed. They mostly make financial decisions and they can vote on things like teachers tenure. But they CANNOT make any changes to the curriculum. The State BOE makes these Academic Standards

I haven't checked all 50 states, but all of the districts I worked for had list of learning objectives from K-12.

So, re-explain yourself.

I was clear with what I said.

So, it seems like you were simply upset that people voiced opposition to homeschooling as it exists now. You don't seem to have any objection to even extremely rigid state requirements on homeschooling like New York.

That isn't what I said.

Lots of people have lived in Texas, however, your manner and style screams Midwesterner/East Coast and Big City. No one in Texas talks about people hating homeschooling.

Wrong on all counts. Much of my family lives in El Paso Texas. I was born and raised in Culver City, California. So your observation is faulty in the extreme. I don't live there now and haven't for decades. It's a state that has run amok.

See, this is something a Texan would never whine about. One reason why Texas use to have so much control is that they give up control. Teachers are allowed to choose their own materials and books which is definitely different from the Big City teachers who aren't trusted to even come up with their own lesson plans in some instances.

The only reason why people would complain about Texas is because they want to blame their own local problems on some outside force.

Companies such as McGraw/Hill, Houghton/Mifflin. Pearson Education sell their products and teachers do get some say in the matter, I've done this five times. Inevitably schools purchase the lowest cost and ignore the recommendations of teachers.

Once again, you are projecting. You are the one who complained about the schools giving names, phone numbers, and addresses to U.S. Army recruiters. Do you really think that flag-burning leftists or liberals enacted this law? No. It was clearly the flag-waving patriots who believed that every child should have the opportunity to be recruited by the U.S. armed forces. In addition, the policy has been around so long that it was likely the same way you were recruited into the U.S. Navy. So frankly, why are you whining about this?

Once again, you are wrong. I was not recruited by anyone.

It's not about the military recruiting people. It's about parents getting full disclosure
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I'm sorry that you considered ultra-nationalist to be name calling - it was meant as an accurate description of those who supported the policies you were offended by..

Yet, here you are stereotyping a group of people and have not a single quark of evidence.

As for your third graders, I'm neither impressed nor do I see the point of the statement

Sad that you don't see the accomplishment These children ages 7-8 have memorized the preamble to our constitution. Most people cannot do this

Once again, you're projecting.

No, I'm not.

Nope. What he said was silly and stupid - as is most human wisdom

No, it's not.

I can agree with this.

Finally.

So, you pray like Pharisee - openly so that everyone can see you and give you your props.

Saying that one will pray for another is not praying to the Pharisees.

I've been pretty blunt and open and haven't obfuscated a thing.

Yes you have.



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