How do you feel poltically

[steaver]

I guess I'm the only person so far who voted "not political at all." :tongue3:

Marcia, you are participating on a "Political Thread" and are in a "Political" discussion right now!

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[steaver]

Equating the Christian faith to any single political perspective is mistaken. It assumes that there is only one way to be Christian.

I know some churches ... mostly white ... that assume that the Republican Party is God's Own Party (GOP).

But I know plenty of churches, either liberal theologically or African-American, that assume that the Democrats are the saviors of all humankind.

No ... as a Christian I need to be free to think God's thoughts after Him and vote for those who come closest. I do confess to a bias toward those who express their Christian commitments openly and who are not afraid to be a part of a local church in a vital way, even though that may not be a church I'd want to attend.

I don't know about "one way" to be Christian, but there is a "right" way and a "left, I mean "wrong" way to be a Christian. It is found in the bible.

Of course "abortion" is always a highlighted political issue because it is so polarizing in this country, however, the scripture is crystal clear on murder and no Christian should be yoking themselves together with any representative who professes to be pro-murder (choice sounds so much sweeter). So any representative supporting abortion should automatically be scratched off the Christian's choice flat out else they have the blood of innocents on their hands.

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[steaver]

I don't think conservative is necessarily Christian nor liberal unchristian. In the days before the Civil War, it was the "liberals" wanting slavery to end and "conservatives" wanting things to stay the way they were.

When voting I look for the person who I think will do the best job for that particular office and don't care what their point of view is on issues unrelated to the job at hand. I have come to ignore the claims of church going by almost any politician, having seen far too many find Jesus just in time for the next election.

PLease don't ignore any ungodly positions held by those you vote for brother. We are not to be yoked together with the deeds of darkness. Any position that flat out goes against Christ should cause that person to be outright rejected by Christians. No compromise for flat out ungodliness.

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[Freedom]

I was wondering. Does Christian automatically equal conservative?

No, never. Not in the Bible anyway. In the minds of most conservative professing Christians, yes. Note that I say professing.

 

[targus]

No, never. Not in the Bible anyway. In the minds of most conservative professing Christians, yes. Note that I say professing.

You are questioning the status of a person's salvation based on their political conservativeness?

That doesn't sound very Christian to me.

 

[Marcia]

Marcia, you are participating on a "Political Thread" and are in a "Political" discussion right now!

:wavey:

I'm posting in a discussion in the Politics forum, which I do sometimes, yes. That is a good point. But otherwise, I am not very political. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[SeekingTruth]

You are questioning the status of a person's salvation based on their political conservativeness?

That doesn't sound very Christian to me.

But it would be Just Christian.:laugh:

 

[go2church]

PLease don't ignore any ungodly positions held by those you vote for brother. We are not to be yoked together with the deeds of darkness. Any position that flat out goes against Christ should cause that person to be outright rejected by Christians. No compromise for flat out ungodliness.

Does voting mean yoking? I don't necessarily think it does. Most of the time I find myself in the situation where I have to choose between two candidates that both have portions of their platforms that I find I don't agree with.

 

[Revmitchell]

There is a distinct and more difference between holding differences on issues like money and holding differences on life like abortion. Money issues can simply be a difference of opinion and involve no immorality. Therefore voting for someone who holds that difference bears no immoral responsibility. However, differences on life such as abortion always involves morality and therefore those who vote for a person who supports the slaughter of unborn children votes to approve their behavior. When you vote for such a person you cannot separate yourself from any of their position when you know in advance that is their position. You have voted immorally.

 

[sag38]

I side with the Republican on most issues. They are the closest to what I believe. I agree on most issues but not all. I could also say the same of libertarians. I agree on most issues but not all. And, I agree with the Democrats on some issues but much of what they stand for goes against everything that I believe to be right and true.

 

[steaver]

Does voting mean yoking? I don't necessarily think it does. Most of the time I find myself in the situation where I have to choose between two candidates that both have portions of their platforms that I find I don't agree with.

The word of God is clear about this...

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [them]." (Eph 5:11)

As you read many post on this board you will see two camps set up. One camp excuses representatives who support the murder of innocent babies by proclaiming "I AM NOT A ONE ISSUE VOTER". Now you can search the scriptures and you will not find anywhere where God tells us to give evil a pass if the evil also does some good. No, we are to reject anything that even smells of evil, flat out!

The other camp you see will be calling for no compromise with God's word. If a representative supports the murder of innocent babies he or she is flat out rejected. Further, this camp will point out their sin and call for their rejection. This camp is following God's word having NO fellowship with works of darkness and REPROVING them as well.

If I know a person is going to seat pro-murder judges and I know a person is going to veto bills that restrict abortion and I know a person is going to sign bills that give one person the right to kill another for any reason, then I have an obligation by the word of God to NOT support said person with my vote. Doesn't matter if otherwise the man looks like a mother Tereasa (sp)!

A vote is giving SUPPORT to ALL causes of the represetative, even those causes you don't really agree with. Not all causes are black and white as Rev pointed out. There is room for choice, but not on God's laws. Christians should properly review ALL positions of a candadate and reject them if any, even one, position goes against the word of God.

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[go2church]

A vote is giving SUPPORT to ALL causes of the represetative, even those causes you don't really agree with. Not all causes are black and white as Rev pointed out. There is room for choice, but not on God's laws. Christians should properly review ALL positions of a candadate and reject them if any, even one, position goes against the word of God.

I wish that the world as black and white as you present it to be. There is room for choice (ok there is a joke there but moving on) according to your interpretation of the Bible. That is a fundamentalist "believe like me or else" mentality that I reject out of hand as interested more in power, control and telling people what to do then actually living, loving and judging as Jesus did.

I reject your "vote is giving support to all causes" theory. We have individual votes on bills, opportunities to lobby for different causes, etc... The secular world in is not that black and white we are forced to move around in areas of grey sometimes. 1 Corinthians 5:9-13

 

[Revmitchell]

A vote is giving SUPPORT to ALL causes of the represetative, even those causes you don't really agree with. Not all causes are black and white as Rev pointed out. There is room for choice, but not on God's laws. Christians should properly review ALL positions of a candadate and reject them if any, even one, position goes against the word of God.

I wish that the world as black and white as you present it to be. There is room for choice (ok there is a joke there but moving on) according to your interpretation of the Bible. That is a fundamentalist "believe like me or else" mentality that I reject out of hand as interested more in power, control and telling people what to do then actually living, loving and judging as Jesus did.

Most likely because holding to this soothes your conscience about your immoral support for an immoral President.

I reject your "vote is giving support to all causes" theory. We have individual votes on bills, opportunities to lobby for different causes, etc... The secular world in is not that black and white we are forced to move around in areas of grey sometimes. 1 Corinthians 5:9-13

This is a dodge on the issue at hand. The opportunity to lobby has nothing to do with knowing in advance that a candidate supports the whole sale slaughter of unborn children by ripping their limbs a part piece by piece. When you know in advance and vote for him you vote to support that issue. And it is an immoral vote. The best liberal Christians can do is to have no one to vote for even if you can see that same particular candidate as having some especially strong and correct view on other issues. And I fail to see how that passage applies to your post.

 

[just-want-peace]

I feel betrayed...politically speaking.

Your statement fits this joke perfectly

THE EGG BUSINESS

John was in the fertilized egg business. He had several hundred young egg-layers (hens), called 'pullets,' and ten roosters to fertilize the eggs.

He kept records, and any rooster not performing went into the soup pot and was replaced.

This took a lot of time, so he bought some tiny bells and attached them to his roosters.

Each bell had a different tone, so he could tell from a distance, which rooster was performing.

Now, he could sit on the porch and fill out an efficiency report by just listening to the bells.

John's favorite rooster, old Butch, was a very fine specimen, but this morning he noticed old Butch's bell hadn't rung at all!

When he went to investigate, he saw the other roosters were busy chasing pullets, bells-a-ringing, but the pullets, hearing the roosters coming, could run for cover.

To John's amazement, old Butch had his bell in his beak, so it couldn't ring.

He'd sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the next one.

John was so proud of old Butch, he entered him in the Renfrew County Fair
and he became an overnight sensation among the judges.

The result was the judges not only awarded old Butch the No Bell Piece Prize but they also awarded him the Pulletsurprise as well.

Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making. Who else but a politician could figure out how to win two of the most highly coveted awards on our planet by being the best at sneaking up on the populace and screwing them when they weren't paying attention.

Vote carefully, the bells are not always audible.

The "0" kept his bell VERY, VERY quiet!!!:sleep:

 

[go2church]

Most likely because holding to this soothes your conscience about your immoral support for an immoral President.



This is a dodge on the issue at hand. The opportunity to lobby has nothing to do with knowing in advance that a candidate supports the whole sale slaughter of unborn children by ripping their limbs a part piece by piece. When you know in advance and vote for him you vote to support that issue. And it is an immoral vote. The best liberal Christians can do is to have no one to vote for even if you can see that same particular candidate as having some especially strong and correct view on other issues. And I fail to see how that passage applies to your post.

It is interesting that you use the words "support immoral President" - I voted for Bush... twice! My conscience is fine thank you very much.

My point is that voting is not always a matter of black hats and white hats. I am pro-life, but have found myself having to vote for someone who supports the death penalty, it's not and ideal world that sin has left us with.

The point of the verse was to show that even in Paul's day there was a recognition that Christians where going to have to live in a world less then ideal. Keep the church as holy as possible but leave the judging to God for those outside.

 

[Revmitchell]

It is interesting that you use the words "support immoral President" - I voted for Bush... twice! My conscience is fine thank you very much.

I don't really understand this comment.

My point is that voting is not always a matter of black hats and white hats. I am pro-life, but have found myself having to vote for someone who supports the death penalty, it's not and ideal world that sin has left us with.

Two unrelated issues.

The point of the verse was to show that even in Paul's day there was a recognition that Christians where going to have to live in a world less then ideal. Keep the church as holy as possible but leave the judging to God for those outside.

Paul did not say leave the judging of others outside the church to God in the context of voting for immoral Presidents who support the slaughter of children. And itis amazing that anyone could over look that under any circumstances. How desensitized has the church become. Callous hearts to slaughtered children are very troublesome.

 

[just-want-peace]

How desensitized has the church become. Callous hearts to slaughtered children are very troublesome.

Our pastor talked about the mind and it's effects on our relation to God last night.
He was emphasizing the fact that if you let garbage into your mind steadily, you would soon lose the desire to relate to Godly guidance.

I would say that this issue of legalized murder has so desensitized the church at large, that it is now just a "difference of opinion" rather than a sin - sorta like the homo issue is rapidly becoming.

It's become a matter of "OPINION" rather than "THUS SAITH THE LORD"!

MARANATHA!!!!!!

 

[go2church]

Your comment was to imply that I voted for an abortion supporter and was trying to ease my conscience, don't play coy it's not very becoming. BTW I didn't vote for our current president either, as if that really mattered

Abortion and capital punishment are not unrelated, life is life. I believe all life should be in the hands of God. We as a society are capable of punishing the wrong doers without taking revenge.

It would be interesting to know what Paul would have written concerning actually getting to vote. He did tell us to submit to the authorities, knowing full well the trouble those same authorities had caused him and other followers of the Way. In fact he called them "God's servant for your good" - Wow a sexually immoral, violent, drunken leader was "God's servant for your good".

I don't know what you mean by callous heart. Is voting the measure of a callous heart? I thought actually reaching out to them, providing a safe place for them, encouraging and helping them to finish school was more a measure of the heart condition, but what do I know!?

 

[go2church]

Found this to be interesting

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31447763/ns/us_news-faith/

 

[steaver]

A vote is giving SUPPORT to ALL causes of the represetative, even those causes you don't really agree with. Not all causes are black and white as Rev pointed out. There is room for choice, but not on God's laws. Christians should properly review ALL positions of a candadate and reject them if any, even one, position goes against the word of God.

I wish that the world as black and white as you present it to be. There is room for choice (ok there is a joke there but moving on) according to your interpretation of the Bible. That is a fundamentalist "believe like me or else" mentality that I reject out of hand as interested more in power, control and telling people what to do then actually living, loving and judging as Jesus did.

I reject your "vote is giving support to all causes" theory. We have individual votes on bills, opportunities to lobby for different causes, etc... The secular world in is not that black and white we are forced to move around in areas of grey sometimes. 1 Corinthians 5:9-13

There are many "political" issues that are "black and white" in God's word. Abortion (murder) is one of them. Is feeding the poor and hungry a "grey" area to you? How about forgiveness? Loving Jesus? Charity?

Give me "your" interpretation of the bible on these issues and let's see if you are a "fundamentalist".

Not sure how 1 Cor 5:9-13 applies here. Obama claims to be a Christian so according to God's word his actions should be judged by the Church. And since Obama is a wicked person for supporting murder of innocents he should therefore be put away from among us as the scripture instructs. THat would certainly include NOT VOTING FOR HIM!

Can you give us an example of a political issue that is "grey" in God's word?

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