How does Rome and the Pope view Child Molestors?

[WPutnam]

Originally posted by C.S. Murphy:
Just curious, would you have to actually see a priest raping a child to believe it?

The question is quite offensive to me, but to answer you:

The results of a jury trial, board of investigation or similar authoritive body would convince me, sir.

I do not base my beliefs on such horrendus things from inuendo, rumor, newspaper phantisies, and other sources that are usually quite anti-Catholic in character.

God bless,

PAX

Bill+†+


Pillar and Foundation of Truth, the Church. (1 Tim 3:15)

 

[Singer]

(Grant)
1) We are all called to be holy as the Father is holy.
You are to be as holy as the Pope is to be holy.

I sure hope you didn't refer to that scripture thinking that it means the pope.
"Father" in the bible is in reverence to God when found in texts referring to our
maker...............never in reference to a pope.

This is easy to grasp as there were no popes in the bible to refer to.

So..........
We are called to be holy as God is Holy.
(Not as a pope is holy).

 

[A_Christian]

We've had two outcomes from the scandels. One
an increase in families attending our church
who were Catholic and an increase attendence
of Catholic students attending
our area "Christian" school----even though there
is a "Catholic" school very close by.

I can only believe that we are seeing the fruit
of sin coming to light.

 

[GraceSaves]

Originally posted by Singer:
(Grant)
1) We are all called to be holy as the Father is holy.
You are to be as holy as the Pope is to be holy.

I sure hope you didn't refer to that scripture thinking that it means the pope.
"Father" in the bible is in reverence to God when found in texts referring to our
maker...............never in reference to a pope.

This is easy to grasp as there were no popes in the bible to refer to.

So..........
We are called to be holy as God is Holy.
(Not as a pope is holy).

Singer,

You are a smart guy, and you are well aware of what my intention was. I will ask that you not attempt to purposefully confuse the situation further. If not, I will not participate, because it means you have no desire to dialogue, but only to, again, confuse.

I was speaking of God the Father, obviously.

Grant

 

[GraceSaves]

Originally posted by A_Christian:
We've had two outcomes from the scandels. One
an increase in families attending our church
who were Catholic and an increase attendence
of Catholic students attending
our area "Christian" school----even though there
is a "Catholic" school very close by.

I can only believe that we are seeing the fruit
of sin coming to light.

If you think that people rejecting a faith based on the sins of its leaders is positive fruit, I must admit that I am so glad I do not share your mindframe. I have never considered running away a virtue, and yet you encourage it. Rather, it would be much more fruitful for these lapsed Catholics to take the time to seriously examine their faith, question, and pray, not run away to a random other Christian church.

God bless,

Grant

 

[Lorelei]

Originally posted by GraceSaves:
1) We are all called to be holy as the Father is holy. You are to be as holy as the Pope is to be holy.

In all fairness this statement confused me too. I wasn't sure how you meant it, but thanks for clarifying.

~Lorelei

 

[GraceSaves]

Hey all,

I apologize if my statement was misleading, now that two people have said it was confusing. I wrote it early this morning, so I guess it made since in my head, but all the words didn't get fleshed out. We are called, by Jesus, to be holy as our Father in heaven is holy. Thus, just as we should expect the Pope to be a holy man, as was stated, I in turn expect you to be holy as well, and equally if not more so. That was my point. Hope that clarifies things.

God bless,

Grant

 

[A_Christian]

I don't see it as rejecting "a" faith, but
maturing in their own. I personally feel that as
the biblical abuses of Catholicism are becoming
more obvious people are looking for a closer
and more personal walk with GOD. They simply
don't get this from "Traditions" no matter how
sincere. They also have children to protect
and as only "members" they hold no real clout.

 

[GraceSaves]

Originally posted by A_Christian:
I don't see it as rejecting "a" faith, but maturing in their own.

Is this how you would see a Baptist who becomes Catholic, or do you hold a double standard to your theory?

Originally posted by A_Christian:
I personally feel that as the biblical abuses of Catholicism are becoming more obvious people are looking for a closer and more personal walk with GOD.

Begging the question. To my knowledge, the were leaving because of sexual abuse in the clergy. Obviously this is a "Biblical abuse," but it is not a doctrinal abuse, and is not a tenet of the Church. So, are they leaving because of doctrine, or priestly abuse? You have stated one, and now the other. Please make up your mind, or do you even really know why these people are leaving?

Originally posted by A_Christian:
They simply don't get this from "Traditions" no matter how sincere.

This statement has nothing to do with the topic at hand, and is nothing more than a side-attack.

Originally posted by A_Christian:
They also have children to protect and as only "members" they hold no real clout.

Oh, ordinary people cannot report sexual abuse to the proper authorities? Is that not how this has come to light in recent years? And that is most certainly having clout, as changes are being made rapidly to clean out the filth.

God bless,

Grant

 

[A_Christian]

I see a Baptist who would become a Catholic, as
an individual who wants someone else to make
the decisions concerning his personal beliefs.

And again, the priesthood isn't about celibacy.
Forcing celibacy as a criteria to becoming
a bishop is to exclude those who would desire
a family and possibly drawing those trying to
hide from their personal problems. There is
NOTHING wrong with making a personal choice
(or a leading from GOD). There IS something in
error about making a stipulation that is not
GOD mandated unless you are willing to accept
the consequence. I believe that the Roman
Catholic church is reaping what it sowed.

 

[GraceSaves]

Originally posted by A_Christian:
I see a Baptist who would become a Catholic, as
an individual who wants someone else to make
the decisions concerning his personal beliefs.

Because, apparently, personal beliefs are absolute truth? No, they aren't, and it is impossible to truly know if they are, which is why so many churches change their doctrines like the wind changes directions. Of course, this isn't pertinent to this discussion.

Originally posted by A_Christian:
And again, the priesthood isn't about celibacy.

If it is not about celibacy, then you won't mind me not resposponding to the rest of what you wrote, since it, according to you, has nothing to do with sexual abuse problems in the Church, but is rather a tangential argument.

God bless,

Grant

 

[A_Christian]

The Holy Spirit that lives within the saved
"Christian" educates do the teaching and not the
some church "authority".

 

[GraceSaves]

So, heaven forbid that the teaching authority of the Church also be guided by the Holy Spirit?

God bless,

Grant

 

[A_Christian]

Sorry, I mean that the Holy Spirit works
to conform the saved individual to the image
of Christ and it isn't the privilage of any
church "authority" to do that.

And as far as the rest, I think you missed the
point. There was NEVER a biblical mandate to
force prists to remain celibate nor be such.

 

[Eladar]

Why do you hit return after about 8 words?

 

[Daniel David]

Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
These people are mentally diseased and at the least, should be locked up in a mental institution.

At the very least. A more appropriate course of action is to lock them up in some prison where they will be some bad guy's girlfriend for awhile.

 

[Singer]

I was speaking of God the Father, obviously. Grant

Just keeping you "in check" Grant.

Your affiliation with a group that misapplies the terms Bride of Christ,
Kingdom of God, Body of Christ, Christ's Church, Purpose of Creation and
even the word Church itself makes you suspect.

Resting easier ..........

 

[GraceSaves]

Originally posted by Daniel David:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
These people are mentally diseased and at the least, should be locked up in a mental institution.

At the very least. A more appropriate course of action is to lock them up in some prison where they will be some bad guy's girlfriend for awhile. </font>[/QUOTE]That's some grasp of justice you have there. Doesn't sound all that Christian to me.

God bless,

Grant

 

[GraceSaves]

Originally posted by Singer:
Just keeping you "in check" Grant.

It's cool. Sorry if I jumped the gun a little bit there.

Originally posted by Singer:
Your affiliation with a group that misapplies the terms Bride of Christ,
Kingdom of God, Body of Christ, Christ's Church, Purpose of Creation and
even the word Church itself makes you suspect.

Yeah, yeah. And then I say, "No, it is YOU who misapply all of these terms!" And the never-ending battle continues.

Or, we could remain productive, and not go down that alley. I prefer the latter.

The ball is in your court now.God bless,

Grant

 

[A_Christian]

Well, ya know that I believe that the world was
created in a literal 6 days and that the FLOOD
really happened. The Roman Catholic church says
that its only allegorical (Evolutionists know
better).

I attend church with others that believe that the
grape juice and crackers are that being a
a spritual rememberance that make the difference.
The Catholic church says that the wine and wafer
actually becomes the body and blood of Christ.

Funny, scientific studies have shown that there
is MUCH greater evidence for the FLOOD than there
is for transubstantiation and yet the catholics
will cling to "their" traditions, even to the point of celibacy----yet reject the Bible as allegory. Didn't Jesus accuse the Sadducees of
the same offence. They didn't take heed---will you?