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How effective is God's Grace?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Jensen, Mar 22, 2007.

  1. Isaiah40:28

    Isaiah40:28 New Member

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    LOL.
    Rest your case do ya?
    Alrighty then.

    Oh, so what you really meant is anyone who does not subscribe to wacky dispensationalism endtimes teaching is wrong.

    Why don't you address the point I brought up about your misuse of Rev. 3:20 and your view of God who is trying to save those who He knows won't be saved?

    Actually this is what I said:
    Not all hymns express correctly what the Bible teaches.
     
  2. HankD

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    That's an unfair statement (IMO).

    God can save all or none or anything inbetween.

    IMO, The real question is not "does man have choice" but "does God have choice"?

    If He does, then can He give it to His creatures and/or His children?

    If He can then He saves those who choose to be saved.

    Or so He appears to command:

    Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: ​



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  3. johnp.

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    Hello HankD. :)

    IMO, The real question is not "does man have choice" but "does God have choice"?

    Of course He had.

    If He does, then can He give it to His creatures and/or His children?

    Now ask the first question again.

    IMO, The real question is not "does man have choice" but "does God have choice"?

    Not any more He don't. :) He just gave it away. So God isn't Sovereign man is. "You're be like God." Rings a bell.

    If He can then He saves those who choose to be saved.

    What do you mean 'if He can'? Is it because He is not Sovereign anymore that enfeebles God?

    Or so He appears to command:

    Responsibility and ability are not linked. We have no ability to do as He says. Unless a man is born again he cannot see or enter the Kingdom of God and this is a matter of now.

    john.
     
  4. Isaiah40:28

    Isaiah40:28 New Member

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    No, think about it. According to a non-Calvinist, God can only save those who He knows will be saved. He can't save people who don't choose Him.
    And according to the same view, God seeks to save everyone without exception.

    So what that leaves you with is a God who knowingly sets out to fail to convert people.

    And that is a unBiblical view of redemption.

    Either God is desperately working to save everyone despite knowing that He will fail in part OR God is not trying to save everyone, but only those who He knows will be saved, which means God is only interested in saving some and is knowingly letting those perish who will not be saved.
     
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