quantumfaith
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Using your word....pitiful.
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How evolution is driving the clergy to atheism
- Thread starter Aaron
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Using your word....pitiful.
OldRegular
Well-Known Member
Crabbie you are grasping at straws>And how do you know how Jesus interpreted Genesis? While thinking about this keep in mind Jesus did not speak English and thus meaning would be lost in anything that he said when it was translated into English.
Since your above premise is irrational a rational answer would simply note that fact!I am hoping for a rational, logical answer, but do not expect one. Anyway, I'd probably miss it as I will be away until early mid-May.
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Blessings.
thisnumbersdisconnected
New Member
Then quite simply, you do not know Jesus.How do you know this? I do not know if you are right or wrong.
What about you?Uncalled for....oh I forgot it's you.
You have said you believe in the Virgin Birth and the Resurrection because you chose to do so, but are you as convinced of them as you are in Darwinism?
Why not simply choose to believe the words of Genesis? There is no real dispute about their denotations and connotations. I submit that you did not choose to believe in Darwinism. You are convinced of it. You can believe no other, and that is why you cannot believe in Genesis. Not really.
More than that, there are yet no consequences of confessing the Resurrection of Christ, but cast doubt on Darwinism and look out.
How do you know this? I do not know if you are right or wrong. I do know there are people who say Jesus and Paul did not take Gen. 2 literally. I do not know if they are right or wrong.
An example:
Jesus took the Pharisees back to the beginning, to when God created Adam and Eve and had commanded one man for one woman...
Paul went back to Genesis, and held to a literal meaning, historical Adam, real Fall, as Jesus was now second Adam!
quantumfaith
Active Member
What about you?
You have said you believe in the Virgin Birth and the Resurrection because you chose to do so, but are you as convinced of them as you are in Darwinism?
Why not simply choose to believe the words of Genesis? There is no real dispute about their denotations and connotations. I submit that you did not choose to believe in Darwinism. You are convinced of it. You can believe no other, and that is why you cannot believe in Genesis. Not really.
More than that, there are yet no consequences of confessing the Resurrection of Christ, but cast doubt on Darwinism and look out.
I have told you many times, I see no need to tell you anymore. You are welcome to criticize, take jabs, poke fun....etc. Knock yourself out.
Not really, but just pretend to humor me.I have told you many times.
Do you believe in Darwinism because you chose to?
quantumfaith
Active Member
Not really, but just pretend to humor me.
Do you believe in Darwinism because you chose to?
First of all, understand your terms. I am not a Darwinist, it is evolution that I do not have a problem with. Darwin's point was the driver of evolution being natural selection (naturalism). I being a theist do not accept natural selection (naturalism) as being the sole or primary driver of evolutionary biology.
Yes, I choose to take any position.
Inspector Javert
Active Member
Richard Dawkins is quoted as saying:
If the evidence before your eyes doesn’t support a belief, you cannot will yourself to believe it anyway.
I disagree with Dawkin's premise.
I think (to a certain extent at least) we very much CAN choose what we will believe.
The Scriptures speak of willfull ignorance (actually specifically regarding the conditions of the initial creation).
2Pe 3:5
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
There are Noetic effects to sin
The Scriptures regularly speak of the will as being active in "belief".
Romans speaks of men's minds becoming corrupted and losing the knowledge of truth.
Rom 1:21
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
We may not be able to "will" away something about which we are already certain and choose to believe something preposterous in it's stead...
i.e. we may not be able if already convinced that the moon is a rocky satellite which orbits the Earth due to gravity then simply "Choose" to believe that it is merely illussory or that it is a giant poached egg....
But if we are not yet already committed to a certain position on something especially, we can find ways to choose how our beliefs will become shaped.
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That's just semantics.First of all, understand your terms. I am not a Darwinist, it is evolution that I do not have a problem with.
I believe you think you do, but I think intellectual honesty would compel you to admit that you don't accept the Genesis day as it was universally accepted up to the 19th century—not because of choice, but because you trust your science teachers more than the critical analyst of the text.Yes, I choose to take any position.
You believe in Evolution not because of choice, but because you are convinced it is true. You could no longer disbelieve in Evolution than you can disbelieve you were born of a woman.
So, what has convinced you of the Resurrection?