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How many of the Spirit Gifts still operating, and are they anyApostles/prophets today?

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Yeshua1

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atpollard said:
Are you seriously asking if the Holy Spirit still ever inspires anyone to speak?
OF COURSE HE DOES!

[Mark 13:9-13 NASB] 9 "But be on your guard; for they will deliver you to [the] courts, and you will be flogged in [the] synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them. 10 "The gospel must first be preached to all the nations. 11 "When they arrest you and hand you over, do not worry beforehand about what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour; for it is not you who speak, but [it is] the Holy Spirit. 12 "Brother will betray brother to death, and a father [his] child; and children will rise up against parents and have them put to death. 13 "You will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved."

  • The Gospel is still being spread.
  • People are still being persecuted for spreading the Gospel
  • It is inconceivable that God would abandon His children in their hour of need when His work is not completed.
  • So this promise still stands!
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NOT inspired in the same sense as the Apostles were, do you hold that any one living can speak new revelations from God, or to write down new ones for us not found in the Bible?
 
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atpollard said:
There is, of course, no need for more Apostles to testify to having seen the risen Christ ... that FACT was established by 2 or 3 witnesses already.
There is also no need for Apostles to write down Holy Scripture, since that task was also completed.
In that regard, the Church (Body of Christ) does not NEED another Paul to add to scripture. (I agree with you.)

However, nothing in scripture prohibits Jesus from appearing to someone as He appeared to Saul ... so God COULD create an Apostle and charge that Apostle (one who is sent with authority) with a mission. The Holy Spirit could certainly also raise up individuals and command them to "go" and "do" whatever task God might appoint them to ... which would make them no less an 'apostle' than Barnabas or Timothy (who were both "one sent").
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the ONLY time that will happen since John death would be the 2 witnesses in the end times in Revelation!
 
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Yeshua1 said:
NOT inspired in the same sense as the Apostles were, do you hold that any one living can speak new revelations from God, or to write down new ones for us not found in the Bible?
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Do you hold that such a thing is impossible for God?

Yes, I believe that someone could. I just have no idea if God has appointed anyone to actually do so and I question whether there is any need for a "revelation" in the sense of OT and NT Biblical Prophesy.
 
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Reynolds said:
Thats the headline. What did Oral say? You have snippets. He always credited God for the miracles. I do not care for Oral Roberts, but you still have to take him in context. He was way out there, but he still credited God for the healings and resurrections. (Assuming there were any)
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He claimed that HE raised the dead....
 
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atpollard said:
There is, of course, no need for more Apostles to testify to having seen the risen Christ ... that FACT was established by 2 or 3 witnesses already.
There is also no need for Apostles to write down Holy Scripture, since that task was also completed.
In that regard, the Church (Body of Christ) does not NEED another Paul to add to scripture. (I agree with you.)

However, nothing in scripture prohibits Jesus from appearing to someone as He appeared to Saul ... so God COULD create an Apostle and charge that Apostle (one who is sent with authority) with a mission. The Holy Spirit could certainly also raise up individuals and command them to "go" and "do" whatever task God might appoint them to ... which would make them no less an 'apostle' than Barnabas or Timothy (who were both "one sent").
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I agree here totally.

Brother, people will not see what they do not want to see. They will not believe what they do not want to believe. God is raising up prophets and apostles and evangelists all around the world--way too many members were wearing Saul's armor, thinking pastor/teacher was the only gift in the Body of Christ.
 
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Yeshua1 said:
NOT inspired in the same sense as the Apostles were, do you hold that any one living can speak new revelations from God, or to write down new ones for us not found in the Bible?
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You realize, brother, that not all Apostles wrote scripture, right? Matter of fact, Mark was not an (original) apostle and he wrote Scripture. Luke was not an (original) apostle and he wrote Scripture. While i agree that Scripture is not being written, your claim is still pointless. (original meaning one of the 11)
 
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JonShaff said:
I agree here totally.

Brother, people will not see what they do not want to see. They will not believe what they do not want to believe. God is raising up prophets and apostles and evangelists all around the world--way too many members were wearing Saul's armor, thinking pastor/teacher was the only gift in the Body of Christ.
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Are those Apostles/prophets giving forth additional revelations, or writing new books into the canon for us? My bible states that we have in it the once and forever finished theology pf the faith, correct?
 
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JonShaff said:
You realize, brother, that not all Apostles wrote scripture, right? Matter of fact, Mark was not an (original) apostle and he wrote Scripture. Luke was not an (original) apostle and he wrote Scripture. While i agree that Scripture is not being written, your claim is still pointless. (original meaning one of the 11)
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they were associated with Apostles, as the early church would see them as being under the spiritual umbrella so to speak of peter and paul!
 
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Yeshua1 said:
There were lessor and greater ones, with mattius and Barnabus examples of lessor ones....
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Now your definition changes.
Where does Scripture say we have lesser and greater?
You said no apostles after Paul!
Make up your mind.
 
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Reynolds said:
Now your definition changes.
Where does Scripture say we have lesser and greater?
You said no apostles after Paul!
Make up your mind.
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Modern day Apostles to me would be missionaries, those who go forth in his name and have authority to establish local churches, but none exist today that can speak forth or write dowe fresh and new divine revelations!
 
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Yeshua1 said:
As some claim that there is a 5 fold ministry still happening in the Church!
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While I am cessationist. I hold two soeaking gifts were in part and made perfect with the giving of the book Revelation being of those two speaking gifts being made perfect by that. So those two gifts which were in part were done away. The gifts speaking in tongues as it is called became inopperative. All the other gifts, less of course Apostles and prophets as such, all the other gifts are still operative. James 1:17, 1 Corinthians 13:8-10. Revelation 22:18.
 
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Yeshua1 said:
Are those Apostles/prophets giving forth additional revelations, or writing new books into the canon for us? My bible states that we have in it the once and forever finished theology pf the faith, correct?
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You do realize apostles and prophets have more functions than what you state, right? Apostle = sent ones. the Latin word for that is Missio, where we get our word Missionary = sent ones.

Read Ephesians 4:11-16 again. And Again. And Again. They are ministries that will be around until the return of Christ. That's what Scripture says. i believe Scripture.
 
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Acts says very little about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and the gifts. Most of what you hear is manmade hype as people add to scripture trying to connect the dots, by adding their own dots. This is what scripture says and nothing more.

The Gift of the Holy Spirit

I. given directly to all believers then and now for all time

II. Included the Baptism of the Holy Spirit for some during the first century

A. Given directly to the 12 Apostles

1. They spoke in tongues, prophesied and performed signs and wonders in Acts

a. Given to Philip by the Apostles.

b. He worked signs and wonders

c. Given to the Samaritans by the Apostles

B. Given directly to Paul as an Apostle

1. He worked signs and wonders

a. Baptism of the Holy Spirit Given to the Ephesians by Paul the Apostle

(1) They spoke in tongues and prophesied

C. Given directly to the Gentiles at Cornelius' house

1. they spoke in tongues and magnified God
 
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