poncho
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Wait and watch Gina. :smilewinkgrin:
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How Marijuana Legalization in America is Destroying Mexican Drug Cartel Business
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Wait and watch Gina. :smilewinkgrin:
Inspector Javert
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Inspector Javert
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Because showing the illogic of his position demonstrates how little he's truly thought the issue THROUGH...
Oh, he's spent countless hours reading pro-legalization articles no doubt...
Spent countless hours listening to radio shows and podcasts preaching for legalization...
But he's likely never really thought THROUGH the issue from an objective standpoint. His answer to the problem likely involves simply trading one bad situation for another.....
That's why it's not so very simple. T.N.D. is correct to expose the lunacy of it all.
Poncho would, on the one hand, have us believe that the Government is irreducibly corrupt, not to be trusted and ALREADY IN LEAGUE with the drug cartels...Have you seen all his posts about how the Government is already in league with those cartels?
Then on the next hand....he wants to submit that it would be better to put our cocaine sniffing and pot smoking in the trusty hands of Government regulations in lieu of the drug cartels...
He's inconsistent and T.N.D. is exposing that, he can't have it both ways.
Inspector Javert
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Still watching?
Still waiting for consistency:
1.) Is the government under the control of corrupt corporations and drug cartels already??
if so.....
Then your question has no meaning, as they ALREADY ARE UNDER THE CONTROL OF BOTH.
You are essentially claiming that the Government and the drug cartels are one and the same entity Poncho.
2.) If they are not....than half of your argument against keeping drugs illegal fails because you are now in the position of placing our safety in shooting heroin into the trusty hands of Government...
T.N.D. just blew your inconsistency wide open.........
That's YOUR problem.
poncho
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In 2012, a study by the Mexican Competitiveness Institute found that US state legalization would cut into cartel business and take over about 30 percent of their market.
Former DEA senior intelligence specialist Sean Dunagan told VICE News that, although it’s too early to verify the numbers: “Anything to establish a regulated legal market will necessarily cut into those profits. And it won’t be a viable business for the Mexican cartels — the same way bootleggers disappeared after prohibition fell.”
DEA chief of operations James Capra told senators this January that legalization "scares us" and is "reckless and irresponsible." And the agency is continuing to crack down on marijuana.
Given the DEA’s historic relationship with the Sinaloa cartel, and the agency’s fury over legalized marijuana, it almost seems like the DEA wants to crush the legal weed market in order to protect the interests of their cartel friends. Almost.
https://news.vice.com/article/legal-pot-in-the-us-is-crippling-mexican-cartels
I asked this particular question because I am curious to hear the reader's response based on his/her own belief system (aren't you?). It's not a question of what I believe. What I believe is irrelevant. It's a question of what the reader believes. Who would you rather have in control?
Did anyone actually answer the question? No? Okay then . . .
Tune in tomorrow same Bat time same Bat channel for another exciting episode of Evade The Question! Pow! Bang! Zowie!
Former DEA senior intelligence specialist Sean Dunagan told VICE News that, although it’s too early to verify the numbers: “Anything to establish a regulated legal market will necessarily cut into those profits. And it won’t be a viable business for the Mexican cartels — the same way bootleggers disappeared after prohibition fell.”
DEA chief of operations James Capra told senators this January that legalization "scares us" and is "reckless and irresponsible." And the agency is continuing to crack down on marijuana.
Given the DEA’s historic relationship with the Sinaloa cartel, and the agency’s fury over legalized marijuana, it almost seems like the DEA wants to crush the legal weed market in order to protect the interests of their cartel friends. Almost.
https://news.vice.com/article/legal-pot-in-the-us-is-crippling-mexican-cartels
I asked this particular question because I am curious to hear the reader's response based on his/her own belief system (aren't you?). It's not a question of what I believe. What I believe is irrelevant. It's a question of what the reader believes. Who would you rather have in control?
Did anyone actually answer the question? No? Okay then . . .
Tune in tomorrow same Bat time same Bat channel for another exciting episode of Evade The Question! Pow! Bang! Zowie!
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poncho
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Still watching?
The question now is what will they come up with today to avoid answering the question I asked yesterday? Stay tuned to find out . . .
In the meantime does anyone have any comments or questions on what's being said by Law Enforcement Against Prohibition?
The question now is what will they come up with today to avoid answering the question I asked yesterday? Stay tuned to find out . . .
In the meantime does anyone have any comments or questions on what's being said by Law Enforcement Against Prohibition?
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In your world there is no difference--you believe the government is full of criminals, thugs, and murderers, so your question isn't a true choice.
But I'll answer: I'd rather have criminal gangs, thugs, and murderers running the drug trade than the government, because there would be no confusion as to whether or not the activity is criminal.
poncho
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Anyone else see the wisdom in leaving criminal gangs, thugs and murderers in control of the global drug trade?
BTW my "opponents" do have a point about the government being corrupt. It is.
What they don't want you to understand though is that by leaving criminal gangs, thugs and murderers in control of the global drug trade we are giving them a free hand to continue to make obscene tax free profits which they in turn use to influence and corrupt the government and law enforcement.
In effect they are arguing in favor of sustaining that which is itself a major cause of government corruption.
Is that really wise?
BTW my "opponents" do have a point about the government being corrupt. It is.
What they don't want you to understand though is that by leaving criminal gangs, thugs and murderers in control of the global drug trade we are giving them a free hand to continue to make obscene tax free profits which they in turn use to influence and corrupt the government and law enforcement.
In effect they are arguing in favor of sustaining that which is itself a major cause of government corruption.
Is that really wise?
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Does anybody think drug cartels are simply going to sit on their hands if marijuana is legalized? They're going to vanish in a puff of smoke?
poncho
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It appears that the strategy for today is to keep asking questions that have already been answered.
Here's the answer again.
http://www.leap.cc/watch-a-video/
Is it being inconsistent to speak out against government corruption and be in favor of eliminating one of the major causes of it, namely drug prohibition?
What do you all think?
Anyone else here that favors leaving criminal gangs, thugs and murderers in charge of the global drug trade?
Here's the answer again.
http://www.leap.cc/watch-a-video/
Is it being inconsistent to speak out against government corruption and be in favor of eliminating one of the major causes of it, namely drug prohibition?
What do you all think?
Anyone else here that favors leaving criminal gangs, thugs and murderers in charge of the global drug trade?
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I don't have time to watch a 15 minute video. Please, in your own words, what happens to the drug cartels if illicit drugs are made legal? Do they give up and disappear?
Not sure there is a point to counter point on this thread. We seem to be trying to say legalization of pot will some how have an effect on the worldwide drug business. Satan is still alive and well on planet earth.
You got good guys and bad guys. The good guys do not need a rigorous system of laws. There are two commandments--one about God, the other about neighbor. Bad guys do not believe God nor practice such things. Good guys are good only because God made them good--nothing of their own merit. This accounts for the bad guys who think they are good.
Not many seem to believe that they are bad without the imputed righteousness which is available through only Jesus.
The laws of the land are to punish the lawbreakers. No one is above the law.
Why do we have so many law-yers?
We live in an amoral world. The U.S. is a good example. We have legalized abortion, calling it freedom of choice instead of murder.
All of this boils to: love of money is the root of all evil. The highest of human places has been corrupted--not a new phenomenon.
There is only one remedy for sin--Jesus.
We need more hellfire and brimstone. See Rev. 9. Make a personal application. Where will we be in 100 years?
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
You got good guys and bad guys. The good guys do not need a rigorous system of laws. There are two commandments--one about God, the other about neighbor. Bad guys do not believe God nor practice such things. Good guys are good only because God made them good--nothing of their own merit. This accounts for the bad guys who think they are good.
Not many seem to believe that they are bad without the imputed righteousness which is available through only Jesus.
The laws of the land are to punish the lawbreakers. No one is above the law.
Why do we have so many law-yers?
We live in an amoral world. The U.S. is a good example. We have legalized abortion, calling it freedom of choice instead of murder.
All of this boils to: love of money is the root of all evil. The highest of human places has been corrupted--not a new phenomenon.
There is only one remedy for sin--Jesus.
We need more hellfire and brimstone. See Rev. 9. Make a personal application. Where will we be in 100 years?
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
Very much doubt it. Most "organized crime" behaves somewhat like a business (the converse is NOT true, IMO) in that, if they lose a product line they'll switch their emphasis to another one, to keep the money flowing. The cartels thrive on the high-risk/high-reward segment, and whatever is deemed too hazardous to legalize (assuming there will be a line drawn somewhere) is what will become the new cash cow.
thisnumbersdisconnected
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No, of course not. But all the pot activists get to smoke weed without fear of arrest. That's the bottom line, and it is a very weak one.
I see. So we will see an increase in meth, cocaine, and heroin addictions. I guess we'll have to legalize them too. Just, you know, to get the cartels out of business and stop legislating against things that don't harm anyone except the user.
poncho
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The opposing argument always comes down to "drugs are bad and the law is the law if you don't like it lump it, you . . . you . . . you . . . (fill in the blank). "
I'm assuming at this point that the opposing voices are in agreement about leaving control of the global trade in the hands of criminal gangs, thugs and murderers.
Basically because "drugs are bad and the law is the law and if you don't want to be arrested obey the law and btw you are a (_________) for questioning it" or something to that effect.
That's not an argument folks. That's a diversion.
The guys who use this argument don't want and can't allow a serious debate to take place on the pros and cons of the global drug war and the effects it's had on millions of people the world over guilty and innocent nor how it is a major factor in the erosion of our liberties, increasing the growth and corruption of our government, the alarming rate our police are being turned into military units all while making our homes and children more vulnerable to other types of crimes in this forum or anywhere else.
Because the minute it is allowed, they lose. And I myself think they know it.
Any thoughts or comments?
I'm assuming at this point that the opposing voices are in agreement about leaving control of the global trade in the hands of criminal gangs, thugs and murderers.
Basically because "drugs are bad and the law is the law and if you don't want to be arrested obey the law and btw you are a (_________) for questioning it" or something to that effect.
That's not an argument folks. That's a diversion.
The guys who use this argument don't want and can't allow a serious debate to take place on the pros and cons of the global drug war and the effects it's had on millions of people the world over guilty and innocent nor how it is a major factor in the erosion of our liberties, increasing the growth and corruption of our government, the alarming rate our police are being turned into military units all while making our homes and children more vulnerable to other types of crimes in this forum or anywhere else.
Because the minute it is allowed, they lose. And I myself think they know it.
Any thoughts or comments?
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Another diversion: the world and everything in it is going to melt with fervent heat. There will be a remnant. Re: Great Flood--God preserved eight.
The present dilemma: as a nation, we have offered our children to Molech. Physically, mentally, and spiritually. If it feels good--do it. Follow your heart. Everything will be alright.
There would be no drug trade if there were no addicts.
Rev. 9 may not be far off
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
The present dilemma: as a nation, we have offered our children to Molech. Physically, mentally, and spiritually. If it feels good--do it. Follow your heart. Everything will be alright.
There would be no drug trade if there were no addicts.
Rev. 9 may not be far off
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James