How Mr. Trump Won

[Van]

The medial is full of reasons for the Trump election results.

1) She was a poor candidate

2) The majority of voters are garbage

3) High inflation and an open border

What if none of that came close to the mark?

When searching for a root cause, one necessary question is why now and not before or later?

Why did Mr. Trump win in 2016, lose n 2020 and win again in 2024?

Was Mr. Trump less given to hyperbole in 2016 and 2024? Nope

Did the media treat Mr. Trump positively in 2016 and 2024? Nope

What changed? Did the Trump organization operate a full scale effort to avoid the "steal" in 2024? Yes in deed.

The percentage of possible turnout was about 58.5% in 2016 and 2024, but in 2020 it was about 65%

Obviously the "higher turnout" favored the Democrats.

Where was the 2020 vote shifted most significantly, Georgia, Arizona, and Michigan.

Where did the vote shift back to Trump most significantly to align with 2016?

 

[Christforums]

Seen a brief commentary on CNN. The commentator suggested Trump would win if the Trump camp could connect Harris to the current administration. That was considered an intellectual comment by the Leftist. Of course, anybody could recognize she's a Leftist Liberal Democrat and VP in the current administration.

How did Trump win? After the Liberal Dems rob the Treasury like a thief in the night nobody wants to be holding the hot potatoe when the whole things comes crashing down. Trump and his party was voted for by mainstream Democrats because the economy was at the top of the list. Somebody has to restore the Treasury and remedy the National debt to pay for women's healthcare, free education, among every hell bent immoral entitlement and nobody better than the Right. Somebody has to build up the National defense to protect Leftist investments and every person believing they shouldn't have to die for their country on the battlefield (draft avoidance by free education). Who better to serve those agendas for what America means to every person on U.S. soil, American citizen or not?

 

[kyredneck]

1) She was a poor candidate

HE was an excellent candidate who campaigned wisely and strategically.

 

[Christforums]

HE was an excellent candidate who campaigned wisely and strategically.

In the past the allegation was made she slept her way to the top. Obviously the wet American dream outweighs substance. See what I had done here?

One of the things I learned in life is substance. Sometimes people lack substance, and in turn lose the meaning of credibility. No matter what was said by example the lack of substance makes whatever said meaningless. In other words the true meaning of the hypocrite and hypocrisy seemingly has become the quality of not only politics but the sacrifices the American voter is willing to make for the lesser of evils on the ballot.

As you said, Trump worked the American voter, strategically. As for worldly wisdom and true wisdom the jury remains silent.

 

[kyredneck]

After the Liberal Dems rob the Treasury like a thief in the night nobody wants to be holding the hot potatoe when the whole things comes crashing down.

I recently bought an annuity account and the financial guy who set it up matter of factly predicted this is what he expects to happen. Things are going to 'come to a head' during the next administration, and, wait & see, just as Hoover and the Republicans got the blame for The Great Depression, so will Trump and the Republicans get the blame for the coming hard times.

 

[Christforums]

I recently bought an annuity account and the financial guy who set it up matter of factly predicted this is what he expects to happen. Things are going to 'come to a head' during the next administration, and, wait & see, just as Hoover and the Republicans got the blame for The Great Depression, so will Trump and the Republicans get the blame for the coming hard times.

Remember and observe my friend. In the end we answer to the L-RD. Perhaps we will not only give an account but testify. I have seen wisdom in which man progresses in the world and is immediately rewarded for immorality by the world. And I have observed the silent in which I question was truly wise and waits reward in the end.

Shalom.

 

[kyredneck]

K.

 

[Deacon]

I actually think that the democrats make Trump's election more likely than not.

The constant charges against him made it increasingly obvious that something smelled fishy.

It became "Who should I believe?"; Trump or the Democrat and their trained media?

When Biden took the stage and began blowing hot air, the smell hit the fan.

So the democrats promoted an unliked, flawed candidate of proven incompetence.
Her whole message was simply, "Trump is rotten".

By then most of us knew where the rot came from.

Rob

 

[kyredneck]

I actually think that the democrats make Trump's election more likely than not.

Unself-conscious in their actions I would say, to the point that it became obvious, as you say, to many what they were doing.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I actually think that the democrats make Trump's election more likely than not.

The constant charges against him made it increasingly obvious that something smelled fishy.


It became "Who should I believe?"; Trump or the Democrat and their trained media?

When Biden took the stage and began blowing hot air, the smell hit the fan.

So the democrats promoted an unliked, flawed candidate of proven incompetence.
Her whole message was simply, "Trump is rotten".

By then most of us knew where the rot came from.

Rob

Fishy you say … that’s funny! These people downright called Trump a “Adolf Hitler incarnate”… can you imagine the outright bs gall of it all to attempt to link Trump with Nazis? Outrageous!

 

[Rye]

3) High inflation and an open border

The issues Trump ran on directly affect the average American on a daily basis. The issues she ran on such as abortion rights and identity politics do not.

 

[Van]

I see a lot of posts here that say Trump did the right things in 2016, the wrong things in 2020, then the right things again in 2024.

One post suggested his ad homenim ads against her worked better than her ads against him. That does not answer the question of why he won in 16, lost in 20 and won again 24.

Another post said he ran a good campaign in 16, bad in 20 and good again in 24.

A post suggested Clinton lacked substance, Biden had substance, but Harris lacked substance.

Lastly some said the "Orange Man Bad" failed in 16, worked in 20 but had become ineffective in 24.

A simple guy like me wonders why the same message worked, then didn't, then did once again.

Mr. Trump received about 74 million votes in 20 and 73 million in 24. However, Mr. Bidden received about 80 million votes in 20 but Harris about 69 million in 24. So Mr. Trump's message and campaign resulted in about the same number of votes for him. On the other hand, about 10 million voters for Mr. Biden did not also vote for the VP. And the states that flipped the most, were Georgia, Arizona and Michigan. But no one smells fish?

 

[Benjamin]

My best guess is that Biden acquired about 25 million fraudulent votes in 2020 but in 2024 the machine was only able to slip Kamala 10 million or so because they were being so closely watched and it wasn't enough.

 

[MrW]

My best guess is that Biden acquired about 25 million fraudulent votes in 2020 but in 2024 the machine was only able to slip Kamala 10 million or so because they were being so closely watched and it wasn't enough.

Correct!

 

[Christforums]

My best guess is that Biden acquired about 25 million fraudulent votes in 2020 but in 2024 the machine was only able to slip Kamala 10 million or so because they were being so closely watched and it wasn't enough.

No news yet of Google celebrating search engine manipulation in the voting as Google did last 2020 election. Google celebrated swinging the state of Arizona. Try to find those articles again!

 

[JonC]

I think there are many reasons.

People see a need for a change. Prices are up. Money talks.

Harris' main platform was about Trump. BUT most her points were lies that anybody over 40 could recognize as lies.

We remember Trump in a long term biracial relationship. We remember Trump leaving the Reform Party and condemning them for supporting a racist. We remember Trump speaking out against white men in Louisiana for voting for Duke to be governor. We remember Trump working with minority communities. We remember Trump speaking in support of Same Sex Marriage. We remember Trump opposing a blanket ban on abortion. We remember Trump supporting the advancement of women in the workplace.

But Hartis ignored the "log of history" (her term) and tried to convince a younger generations that Trump was a racist, wanted to ban abortion, would end gay rights, opposed the advancement of women, etc.

They were lies too easily disproven by those interested.

 

[Van]

My best guess is that Biden acquired about 25 million fraudulent votes in 2020 but in 2024 the machine was only able to slip Kamala 10 million or so because they were being so closely watched and it wasn't enough.

Yes, thanks for the insight. I agree, at least one significant reason for Mr. Trump's victory in 24 was his team's effective effort to provide election integrity. Mrw's post #14 also supports this valid observation.

The two reasons I see for the reduction in Democrat votes for the VP, are Dem's actually stayed home, unwilling to vote for Mr Trump or Mrs. Harris, and the elimination of fraudulent votes. Since the VP got about as many votes as Mrs. Clinton in 16, (about 68 million versus 66 million for Clinton) I think elimination of fraudulent votes is the major reason for Mr. Trump's (and America's) victory.

Why is this story not being reported? I think they want to cast the GOP in a positive light, expanding their base with common sense policy, rather than admit Mr. Trump was right in questioning the 2020 results. Just saying...

 

[OnlyaSinner]

The Dems' focus on "reproduction rights" (front and center in Maine, especially the 2nd district) appears to have backfired, thankfully.

 

[Rye]

I see a lot of posts here that say Trump did the right things in 2016, the wrong things in 2020, then the right things again in 2024.

From my perspective, he is the exact same candidate that he was in 2016. Compare his rallies from 8 years ago to today. Not much of a difference. The left went so far off the deep end and I am seeing more self reflection on their side this time around instead of just being bitter about it.

 

[Christforums]

From my perspective, he is the exact same candidate that he was in 2016. Compare his rallies from 8 years ago to today. Not much of a difference. The left went so far off the deep end and I am seeing more self reflection on their side this time around instead of just being bitter about it.

Perhaps the Left or in general Americans needed time to acclimate to Trump directness. Today's Passive Aggressives tend to avoid to your face directness passing it off as bitter, mean, and crude. How dare anybody speak their convictions or exploit immoral weakness! Really Trump reminds me of most elderly generations before they began to target the youth and appeal to them. I much prefer, "I am not your friend", and not deceiving otherwise.