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How Much Love is Enough?

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DHK

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Heavenly Pilgrim said:
HP: Try hard to be honest. No one called you a Calvinist. I only was making reference to the theological notion you were parroting that is part and parcel to the system of theology known as Calvinism, i.e., the literal payment theory. Possibly if you do not desire for the comparison to be drawn between your comments and Calvinism, you might consider rethinking your theory of the atonement.
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You are really paranoid about this HP.
Everyone, and I mean everyone on this board (except the cults, the Charismatics, and you) are Calvinists. Quick go hide! A Calvinist might come and get you. :)
 
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zrs6v4

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Aaron said:
From the Rom. 11/OSAS thread:

Aaron: Bob, do you love men as you ought to love? . . . No one loves as Christ loved, yet He loved no more than was required to fulfill the law.

BobRyan: Is it ever defined IN THE BIBLE as "sin" to be "unnable" to love "infinitely"?

Aaron: Yes. This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you, John 15:12, and, For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, Gal. 5:14.

BobRyan: There is no text saying "If you love less than infinite God you are sinning" in all of scripture -- no not one.
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So, Bob, from the Scriptures, how much love is necessary to fulfill the law?
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I figured I would throw my two cents out.

The Law requirement of Love is not an amount, but a perfect love. We fail. And thus break the Law. God's Love is perfect Love and it fulfilled the Law requirement in His life on earth.

Therefore by faith in Christ alone Christ's perfect requirements of the entire Law were fulfilled making us righteous by His work.

We are no longer obligated to keep the Law (to be saved). It isn't even about Christ filling in the gaps IMO. It is by our life being completely covered by perfect righteousness imputed by Faith.

Now this is vital- We are now free from the Law and under grace.. changed internally making us Free from the Law.. True Liberty and Freedom! to do what? nothing other than serve and Love God and keep His commands with no obligations or requirements but with a pure and true heart of worship.
 
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billwald

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>The Law requirement of Love is not an amount, but a perfect love. We fail. And thus break the Law.

This is a psychological crutch. I know that I continually fail but I can feel better if I also know that everyone else also fails. This gives me hope that God grades on a curve . . . or I can convince myself that I am perfect "in Christ," another bail out.
 
Aaron

Aaron

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zrs6v4 said:
I figured I would throw my two cents out.

The Law requirement of Love is not an amount, but a perfect love. We fail. And thus break the Law. God's Love is perfect Love and it fulfilled the Law requirement in His life on earth.

Therefore by faith in Christ alone Christ's perfect requirements of the entire Law were fulfilled making us righteous by His work.

We are no longer obligated to keep the Law (to be saved). It isn't even about Christ filling in the gaps IMO. It is by our life being completely covered by perfect righteousness imputed by Faith.

Now this is vital- We are now free from the Law and under grace.. changed internally making us Free from the Law.. True Liberty and Freedom! to do what? nothing other than serve and Love God and keep His commands with no obligations or requirements but with a pure and true heart of worship.
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I mostly agree, but the question is, how much love is required to fulfill the law? HP and BR are saying it doesn't have to be a perfect love. I'm asking them to justify that statment by the Scriptures.
 
menageriekeeper

menageriekeeper

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HP: Try hard to be honest. No one called you a Calvinist. I only was making reference to the theological notion you were parroting that is part and parcel to the system of theology known as Calvinism, i.e., the literal payment theory. Possibly if you do not desire for the comparison to be drawn between your comments and Calvinism, you might consider rethinking your theory of the atonement.
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Oh, no, no, no! You don't get to take it back or change it in any way! You made my day with that and I'm keeping it. Might have to change my sig to reflect it. :laugh: I've been called lots of things on this board before but Calvinist was never one of them! :laugh:

However. You seem to be struggling under a heavy load there of impossibility and I don't mean about me being Calvinist. Why wold you thing that a merciful God would expect us imperfect humans to be able to love like He can?
 
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Heavenly Pilgrim

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MK: Oh, no, no, no! You don't get to take it back or change it in any way! You made my day with that and I'm keeping it.
Might have to change my sig to reflect it. I've been called lots of things on this board before but Calvinist was never one of them!
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HP: The truth is: I never once called you a Calvinist. Sorry to shed the truth on the 'martyr crown' or 'Calvinistic crown' or whatever it is that you seem bent on placing upon your own head of your own making.


MK: You seem to be struggling under a heavy load there of impossibility and I don't mean about me being Calvinist.
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HP: How’s that??

MK: Why wold you thing that a merciful God would expect us imperfect humans to be able to love like He can?
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HP: God is not a taskmaster. He requires nothing out of us we cannot fulfill with the help He proffers if we are willing to yield ourselves to His commands.
 
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Heavenly Pilgrim

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Aaron: HP and BR are saying it doesn't have to be a perfect love.
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HP: If you want to be right, you need to start with being truthful.:wavey:

Where have I ever stated or implied that " it does not have to be a perfect love???"
 
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