How should Christian view immigration and national sovereignty?

[Calminian]

Another great video at PragerU, by Michelle Malkin.

A Nation of Immigrants

As you know, Christians are very confused over this issue of illegal immigration. Shouldn't we welcome all immigrants? Shouldn't churches provide sanctuary for illegal immigrants?

And the ultimate platitude: Shouldn't we build bridges instead of walls?

It's one of those issues where a myriad of verses can be taken out of context to confuse the biblically illiterate.

I think the above video does a whole lot to at least educate people on the American approach to immigration.

 

[loDebar]

Christians are not confused, snowflakes are confused.

We have compassion but don't choose to ignore law

1Co 14:40

Let all things be done decently and in order.

 

[Calminian]

My take?

Christians are not confused, snowflakes are confused. ...

But is there such a thing as a Christian Snowflake? I have to say, I believe there is, and I think we should be actively trying to melt away their confusion.

 

[Calminian]

My take on this is very simple. God endorses nationalism and government sovereignty (Genesis 11, Romans 13) and borders and regulated humane immigration. And God warns against globalism.

 

[Calminian]

So what is an illegal immigrant?...

Someone who cuts in line in front of legal immigrants, those who respect our laws (something God wants all Christians to do, romans 13). Do you endorse line cutting? Do you not respect those waiting in line?

If we are in this country although born here, we came from immigrants.... This was not originally our land but belonged to someone else and we took it for our own...

Lands always change hands. Happens all the time. Natives Americans warred with other Native Americans and displaced them. Paul acknowledge the sovereignty of Rome, and they definitely took over lands. It's kind of irrelevant for the Christian. We obey ruling authorities.

We are a melting pot of immigrants...

Only when immigration is controlled and people assimilate. Otherwise, we are not a "melting pot." Melting pot is colloquialism for assimilation. I believe in the melting pot (assimilation) philosophy of America. It's the very reason we have survived as an immigrant nation.

But it appears you're avoiding the distinction of illegal and legal. Do you not believe nations have the sovereignty to control their borders and award citizenship? Do you believe America could right now send over 100,000 people to Mexico to vote in their next election and alter its outcome?

 

[loDebar]

My take?


But is there such a thing as a Christian Snowflake? I have to say, I believe there is, and I think we should be actively trying to melt away their confusion.

fake Christians or weak Christians

 

[Calminian]

fake Christians or weak Christians

It's a combo of both, IMO, though I might designate uninformed rather than weak. Yes, I do believe there are many fake Christians, and often they are aligned with political leftism.

 

[Calminian]

BTW, Trump is definitely building an impressive wall. That's a beast. I know border patrol is thankful, as it makes their job a lot easier.

 

[tyndale1946]

Someone who cuts in line in front of legal immigrants, those who respect our laws (something God wants all Christians to do, romans 13). Do you endorse line cutting? Do you not respect those waiting in line?



Lands always change hands. Happens all the time. Natives Americans warred with other Native Americans and displaced them. Paul acknowledge the sovereignty of Rome, and they definitely took over lands. It's kind of irrelevant for the Christian. We obey ruling authorities.



Only when immigration is controlled and people assimilate. Otherwise, we are not a "melting pot." Melting pot is colloquialism for assimilation. I believe in the melting pot (assimilation) philosophy of America. It's the very reason we have survived as an immigrant nation.

But it appears you're avoiding the distinction of illegal and legal. Do you not believe nations have the sovereignty to control their borders and award citizenship? Do you believe America could right now send over 100,000 people to Mexico to vote in their next election and alter its outcome?

You must have been sitting on my post because not to long after I posted it... Read it again and deleted it, but I guess not soon enough... I decided then to opt out of this discussion... Good day.... Brother Glen

 

[Calminian]

You must have been sitting on my post because not to long after I posted it... Read it again and deleted it, but I guess not soon enough... I decided then to opt out of this discussion... Good day.... Brother Glen

Well, I actually appreciated the input. Disagreements are the key to refining our positions.

Yeah, I guess I did respond fast.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Well, I actually appreciated the input. Disagreements are the key to refining our positions.
Yeah, I guess I did respond fast.

It seems Dems formerly agreed with your post and even have heroes who violently agreed with it.

Illegal Immigration: It's About Power

 

[Calminian]

It seems Dems formerly agreed with your post and even have heroes who violently agreed with it.

Illegal Immigration: It's About Power

Such common sense. It's amazing that people don't understand this anymore, especially Christians. But this type of thinking is in short supply today.

 

[tyndale1946]

Such common sense. It's amazing that people don't understand this anymore, especially Christians. But this type of thinking is in short supply today.

I said I wasn't going to jump in but this answer peaked my interest and I felt I would say this, as it seems to fit in the discussion, as the Lord has something against the church at Ephesus

Revelation 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.

The name “Nicolaitans” is derived from the Greek word nikolaos, a compound of the words nikos and laos. The word nikos is the Greek word that means to conquer or to subdue. The word laos is the Greek word for the people. It is also where we get the word laity. When these two words are compounded into one, they form the name Nicolas, which literally means one who conquers and subdues the people. It seems to suggest that the Nicolaitans were somehow conquering and subduing the people.

Ummm!...Interesting... Brother Glen

 

[Calminian]

I said I wasn't going to jump in but this answer peaked my interest and I felt I would say this, as it seems to fit in the discussion, as the Lord has something against the church at Ephesus

Revelation 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.

The name “Nicolaitans” is derived from the Greek word nikolaos, a compound of the words nikos and laos. The word nikos is the Greek word that means to conquer or to subdue. The word laos is the Greek word for the people. It is also where we get the word laity. When these two words are compounded into one, they form the name Nicolas, which literally means one who conquers and subdues the people. It seems to suggest that the Nicolaitans were somehow conquering and subduing the people.

Ummm!...Interesting... Brother Glen

Or it could just be the name of some really bad immoral guy whom people followed into sin. I tend to read Revelation literally unless clear symbolism is pointed out (which it often is).