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how the men dress
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journeyheaven
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That was a joke. 
Helen --
I think we all knew it was initially a joke, but there
are concerns. We are usually, for the greater
part of us, knowledgeable enough to understand
the practices of other peoples; however, we are
talking about the Bible and Judeo-Christian ethics
and responses to that culture in mostly Western
nations.
Abby --
Re the fire fighters' calendar, I haven't seen the
inside of one, but I did see the outside of one in
a book store, and I have heard the talk. I don't
know how far they go, but with today's attitudes, I
would doubt nothing.
I think we all knew it was initially a joke, but there
are concerns. We are usually, for the greater
part of us, knowledgeable enough to understand
the practices of other peoples; however, we are
talking about the Bible and Judeo-Christian ethics
and responses to that culture in mostly Western
nations.
Abby --
Re the fire fighters' calendar, I haven't seen the
inside of one, but I did see the outside of one in
a book store, and I have heard the talk. I don't
know how far they go, but with today's attitudes, I
would doubt nothing.
journeyheaven: thanks for clarifying! I was hoping...
Abiyah, I understand what you are saying, but doesn't that just point out that there is so much that is cultural that we really shouldn't be judging other people for their clothes?
My daughter and her girlfriend attended church this morning (it was my turn to stay home with Chris), and they were in pants. Bianca is almost always in pants. When they arrived back here they included me in a deep discussion about the sermon, which had been about marriage -- biblical marriage. They had listened closely, as they do every time, and did not leave the sermon at church, but brought it home for talking about and thinking about.
And they sang part of a new hymn they had learned, which was really lovely.
They have guy friends -- tons of them -- who hang around a lot because Bianca and Kelli do not come on like the other girls with batting eyes and swivel hips and the like (regardless of what clothes are being worn!). A lot of the guys are not wealthy, and wear the same things to church as everyday. It's not always terribly impressive to the eyes, but these kids are serious about their faith and will come and talk about things they are working their way through. I appreciate their trust and they have all learned to use Concordances here, as well as the Hebrew theological wordbook and similar resources so they don't have to depend on a person always to help them dig their way through things they have puzzlements about.
I would rather see these girls in their somewhat sloppy (opposite of tight in this case) pants and tops and the guys in sometimes ripped-seam jeans and old t-shirts going to church and seriously discussing what they heard than all the cute and tidy teens in the world.
By dressing they way they do, both the guys and the gals, no one thinks they are acting snobby or pretending to be something they aren't. This is important to them, for we live in an area of stark contrasts. About a mile from us is a private airport and the people who live around it have hangars as well as garages for their private planes. Stop signs are low to the ground so the planes' wings won't hit them as they go the the main runway. The streets in that subdivision are very wide so accomodate private planes, which have the right of way over cars.
In the other direction, less than a mile away, is abject poverty.
These kids know how to fit in with either crowd. And God bless them for that.
Is she modest? Absolutely. Is the feminine -- yup. Those sparkly eyes and gorgeous thick hair, her bounce and giggle -- she's totally girl and enjoys it. At least we are mostly through the sparkle stage -- those sparkles ended up all over the house! Made vacuuming interesting...
Folks, it can get hot around here in the summers. It is not uncommon to see the carpenters take off their t-shirts and wrap them around their heads to keep the sweat out of their eyes while they work. I've not heard a complaint from anyone.
People take them lemonade and soda instead.
Abiyah, I understand what you are saying, but doesn't that just point out that there is so much that is cultural that we really shouldn't be judging other people for their clothes?
My daughter and her girlfriend attended church this morning (it was my turn to stay home with Chris), and they were in pants. Bianca is almost always in pants. When they arrived back here they included me in a deep discussion about the sermon, which had been about marriage -- biblical marriage. They had listened closely, as they do every time, and did not leave the sermon at church, but brought it home for talking about and thinking about.
And they sang part of a new hymn they had learned, which was really lovely.
They have guy friends -- tons of them -- who hang around a lot because Bianca and Kelli do not come on like the other girls with batting eyes and swivel hips and the like (regardless of what clothes are being worn!). A lot of the guys are not wealthy, and wear the same things to church as everyday. It's not always terribly impressive to the eyes, but these kids are serious about their faith and will come and talk about things they are working their way through. I appreciate their trust and they have all learned to use Concordances here, as well as the Hebrew theological wordbook and similar resources so they don't have to depend on a person always to help them dig their way through things they have puzzlements about.
I would rather see these girls in their somewhat sloppy (opposite of tight in this case) pants and tops and the guys in sometimes ripped-seam jeans and old t-shirts going to church and seriously discussing what they heard than all the cute and tidy teens in the world.
By dressing they way they do, both the guys and the gals, no one thinks they are acting snobby or pretending to be something they aren't. This is important to them, for we live in an area of stark contrasts. About a mile from us is a private airport and the people who live around it have hangars as well as garages for their private planes. Stop signs are low to the ground so the planes' wings won't hit them as they go the the main runway. The streets in that subdivision are very wide so accomodate private planes, which have the right of way over cars.
In the other direction, less than a mile away, is abject poverty.
These kids know how to fit in with either crowd. And God bless them for that.
Is she modest? Absolutely. Is the feminine -- yup. Those sparkly eyes and gorgeous thick hair, her bounce and giggle -- she's totally girl and enjoys it. At least we are mostly through the sparkle stage -- those sparkles ended up all over the house! Made vacuuming interesting...
Folks, it can get hot around here in the summers. It is not uncommon to see the carpenters take off their t-shirts and wrap them around their heads to keep the sweat out of their eyes while they work. I've not heard a complaint from anyone.
People take them lemonade and soda instead.
Do you want to hear my pet peeve?? Yes you say? Ok, here it is......It drives me insane when you see certain denoms and right away you see the women and you know instantly what denom they are, but you look at the men and they look no different than a dozen other denoms.....also....I hate it when I visit certain Baptist churches and the pastor is dressed fit to kill....looks like a tv evangelist, but you look at his wife and bless her heart, she looks like she was dressed off the clearance rack at wal-mart.
Cindy
Cindy
Maverick
Member
Not sure what Baptist churches you are visting but most preachers I know wear Sears and Penney's suits and their wives have clothes from there as well. I usually get my suits at Shepler's and sometimes I get hand me downs from my 29 year old son.
Had you said AoG or large SBC churches I would have understood. A woman can be modest in more expensive clothes it is jsut harder because designer clothes are usually made for sex appeal and hence immodest. Exposed cleavage and long slits are not modest.
Had you said AoG or large SBC churches I would have understood. A woman can be modest in more expensive clothes it is jsut harder because designer clothes are usually made for sex appeal and hence immodest. Exposed cleavage and long slits are not modest.
Maverick
Member
While we are at it, at 273 lbs I have some liberty to say this. Most women do themselves an injustice in pants. Large tushies and thighs fare better in a dress than pants. I try to hide my "love" handles. Women with 3 rolls and yard wide backsides need to find looser attire. And I don't mean jogging suits as I have seen plenty of those in church. Those who have the shape for pants should not wear them because that shape is for you, your husband and God not for every Tom, Dick and Harry to drool over. If ya got it, don't flaunt it, hide your treasure.
Wisdom Seeker
New Member
Getting back to the first post on this thread, I thought "that is something I've wondered about myself, Why the tie? Who thought of this and why?" Why do they seem to strangle the wearer...and who cares if buttons show? If they weren't meant to show...shouldn't shirts just be made with a placket to cover them? Who was behind this fashion statement? And why on earth...do they still exist today?
Here's a link to the history of the tie.
As to designs on ties...that is the only place a man is free to show anything about himself really. I mean...what does a cartoon tie say about the wearer? What about a bow tie? That is the reason why tie's really shouldn't ever be given as a gift.
Clothing should have a purpose..to cover you, to keep you warm or cool. As the history of the tie will prove...vanity was the ties original purpose...decoration and adornment. So is it manly to wear a tie? Is it Christian to wear a tie? Do the people that think they are...have any idea where they originated or for what purpose?
Now about suit coats and shorts..... just kidding.
Laurenda
[ March 23, 2003, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: Wisdom Seeker ]
Here's a link to the history of the tie.
As to designs on ties...that is the only place a man is free to show anything about himself really. I mean...what does a cartoon tie say about the wearer? What about a bow tie? That is the reason why tie's really shouldn't ever be given as a gift.
Clothing should have a purpose..to cover you, to keep you warm or cool. As the history of the tie will prove...vanity was the ties original purpose...decoration and adornment. So is it manly to wear a tie? Is it Christian to wear a tie? Do the people that think they are...have any idea where they originated or for what purpose?
Now about suit coats and shorts..... just kidding.
Laurenda
[ March 23, 2003, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: Wisdom Seeker ]
Helen and Kate, take it from someone who has to wear a tie: It stinks. It constricts breathing, causes sweating and is uncomfortable. So far as I know, its only real use is as a convenient target for chili and spaghetti sauce.
When I first started work here, ties were required from every man on staff. Now there are only three in my department who wear them regularly.
When I was a teen-ager, the pastor's wife might show up Wednesday night in a moo-moo. The pastor usually was in a suit or a sports jacket, but we knew that wouldn't last. After a few minutes, the jacket would come off. Then the tie would be loosened. And when the tie came off and the handkerchief came out to mop the sweat from his forehead, we knew he was serious.
The other issue is color, which is definitely culturally determined. Until the early 1800s, men's fine clothes were expected to be as colorful as women's -- but the Brits set the fashion for both color (and adopted trousers for men) and things haven't been the same since.
I still vote for robes for the pastor.
As to shorts, I wear them around the house and when camping or swimming. I truly fear the effect of my legs on the general public.
When I first started work here, ties were required from every man on staff. Now there are only three in my department who wear them regularly.
When I was a teen-ager, the pastor's wife might show up Wednesday night in a moo-moo. The pastor usually was in a suit or a sports jacket, but we knew that wouldn't last. After a few minutes, the jacket would come off. Then the tie would be loosened. And when the tie came off and the handkerchief came out to mop the sweat from his forehead, we knew he was serious.
The other issue is color, which is definitely culturally determined. Until the early 1800s, men's fine clothes were expected to be as colorful as women's -- but the Brits set the fashion for both color (and adopted trousers for men) and things haven't been the same since.
I still vote for robes for the pastor.
As to shorts, I wear them around the house and when camping or swimming. I truly fear the effect of my legs on the general public.
It's been my experience that it's his wife who dresses him, buys his clothes, and then arranges them in the closet the go together, helps choose the tie. If she is dresses as you say it is probably becasue he is faithful in being God's minister and works for a little money, not enought to take proper care of her, and she sacrifices herself so her preacher husband can look appropriate in public. So don't blame him, he is being faithful, how about the people underpaying him just becasue he'll work there for that, taking advsntage of his faithfulness to God, at the expense of his family. God may put it on your heart so that your the one He will use to help supply their need and buy her a nice dress for church.Originally posted by 10usNE1:
Her husband would probably just sell her new dress in a resale shop and then buy himself a new silk tie!!
Cindy
HCL, are you saying women are never enticed by men and what they wear? That women never lust after men? Thast just not true.
And the bible does not say women are not enticed to lust after men.
Just because yu haven't found an admonition about women and lust doesn't mean it doesn't exsist, or that it's alright to do it. No more so then for men that is, and we know thats wrong.
And the bible does not say women are not enticed to lust after men.
Just because yu haven't found an admonition about women and lust doesn't mean it doesn't exsist, or that it's alright to do it. No more so then for men that is, and we know thats wrong.
Abby, firemens calendar,, actual firemen wearing some of, but not all of their firemen gear, posed in sexy alluring poses.Usually n shirt, big muscles. Now someone tell me women don't lust. If they didn't there would be no mnarket for these, and they are hot sellers, which is why you don't see them that often. I've only seen them on tv, have no idea where a person woulld find one.
No, that's not what she said at all. She said the Scriptures repeatedly warn men (as opposed to women) not to be taken by the lust of the eyes.
We all know women can succumb to the lust of the eyes. And when the woman saw that the tree was ... pleasant to the eyes... Gen. 3:6.
HCL made an excellent point. The pattern followed by the Holy Spirit in the Scriptures is to warn the men. I think that is significant and is pertinent to the discussion at hand.
So far, the dress-only camp has scored two big points:</font>
- The definition of the word "apparel."</font>
- The tendency of men to be taken by the lusts of the eyes.</font>
So here's the task for the dress AND pants folks:</font>
- Counter HCL with repeated warnings in the Scriptures for women not to be enticed by a man's attire</font>
- A rational definition of the word "apparel" supported by a consensus of Greek scholars.</font>
No, I was bringinng up what the Scriptures say
with regard to clothing, nakedness, etc. 8o)
I am not sure the rest of your note was to me, but
since there was no break, I must assume so. 8o)
Not once have I advocated that girls must wear or
not wear certain modern clothing nor that boys
must; neither have I said that men or women must.
Rather, I have said that we all need to cover up, to
understand the biblical definition of nakedness and
act accordingly. Societal norms should never
influence how we obey the Bible or whether or not
we do.