freeatlast
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Yes I have always wondered why some people thought he was such a great President.
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How things have changed....
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Yes I have always wondered why some people thought he was such a great President.
saturneptune
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None of us are perfect, and therefore no candidate for President or President is perfect. It all goes back to for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Whether one agrees with Roger or not, it is a fact that 1988 was the start of a different trend in the Republican Party, within the context of everyone being flawed. It is also a fact that if Reagan had not picked Bush the First as a Vice President, that the outcome might have been different. Think about the names since Bush. After Bush ran in 88, came Bush in 92. Ask yourself why he lost compared to the Reagan landslides. Then in 96, came Dole, a weak candidate. It was almost like that year the Republicans punted before the campaign started. Again, there is a reason Clinton won reelection and Bush did not. Then, in 2000, here comes another Bush, probably not quite as liberal, but presented that definite medicore, moderate to liberal mindset. He barely won, as close as anyone could, and not lose. This was against a Democratic candidate that was basically a baffoon and had been part of an administration involved in scandal after scandal. He won again in 2004, not by much, but against an ultra liberal Democratic candidate. This is the point where the Republicans went into a death spiral.
First it was McCain, whom I ended up voting for after throwing up in the voting booth. McCain was at one time considered for VP on a Democratic ticket. No lessons were learned from that election. Obama thumped McCain big time. He took states like Indiana, North Carolina, Virginia and Florida.
This all reaches its low point in the form of Romney in 2012. Having learned nothing from 2008, we and the Republican Party kicked the can down the road. We have argued about this man time after time. Once again, the Republicans have lowered their standard. Moral standards and Christian beliefs are out the window. The only question remaining is will we learn anything in time for the 2016 election? Considering that this started in 1988, we are using up a good part of a life time to learn.
This puts conservatives that believe in the Constitution in a corner or a catch 22. Instead of having to think about which of the two candidates are best for this nation, we pound our heads asking when will do the least damage to our nation. The gap gets narrowwer and narrower.
Once again, I have changed my mind. It is nothing to be proud of. Once again I am going along with kicking the can down the road. because after much thought, I have concluded that Romney is less evil, less destructive, and less likely to expand government at the rate that this administration has than Obama. This is a pathetic standard, and each of us should hold our heads in shame. This great country has been reduced to this. Maybe it is what we deserve. These two are a reflection of us.
Yes, I am going to vote for Romney, and yes he will carry Kentucky. The question is, what is the end result regardless of who wins.
Whether one agrees with Roger or not, it is a fact that 1988 was the start of a different trend in the Republican Party, within the context of everyone being flawed. It is also a fact that if Reagan had not picked Bush the First as a Vice President, that the outcome might have been different. Think about the names since Bush. After Bush ran in 88, came Bush in 92. Ask yourself why he lost compared to the Reagan landslides. Then in 96, came Dole, a weak candidate. It was almost like that year the Republicans punted before the campaign started. Again, there is a reason Clinton won reelection and Bush did not. Then, in 2000, here comes another Bush, probably not quite as liberal, but presented that definite medicore, moderate to liberal mindset. He barely won, as close as anyone could, and not lose. This was against a Democratic candidate that was basically a baffoon and had been part of an administration involved in scandal after scandal. He won again in 2004, not by much, but against an ultra liberal Democratic candidate. This is the point where the Republicans went into a death spiral.
First it was McCain, whom I ended up voting for after throwing up in the voting booth. McCain was at one time considered for VP on a Democratic ticket. No lessons were learned from that election. Obama thumped McCain big time. He took states like Indiana, North Carolina, Virginia and Florida.
This all reaches its low point in the form of Romney in 2012. Having learned nothing from 2008, we and the Republican Party kicked the can down the road. We have argued about this man time after time. Once again, the Republicans have lowered their standard. Moral standards and Christian beliefs are out the window. The only question remaining is will we learn anything in time for the 2016 election? Considering that this started in 1988, we are using up a good part of a life time to learn.
This puts conservatives that believe in the Constitution in a corner or a catch 22. Instead of having to think about which of the two candidates are best for this nation, we pound our heads asking when will do the least damage to our nation. The gap gets narrowwer and narrower.
Once again, I have changed my mind. It is nothing to be proud of. Once again I am going along with kicking the can down the road. because after much thought, I have concluded that Romney is less evil, less destructive, and less likely to expand government at the rate that this administration has than Obama. This is a pathetic standard, and each of us should hold our heads in shame. This great country has been reduced to this. Maybe it is what we deserve. These two are a reflection of us.
Yes, I am going to vote for Romney, and yes he will carry Kentucky. The question is, what is the end result regardless of who wins.
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freeatlast
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I believe that the phrase "None of us are perfect" is just a worn out as is the claim of racial discrimination from the African race. Everything is not race based and no one has to be perfect do what is right. While President Reagan was able to woo the religious conservative with his well prepped speeches about the bible his leadership was not any better then any those who has followed as he is the one who started this economic downfall we are in today.
In the case of this election I do not believe that it is the Republicans have lowered their standards but the church who has forsaken the standards of God. The republican party has not had moral standards, if it ever did, for a very long time. The republican party in practice is no different then the democrat party. If they were we would not be in the mess we are in as he old saying goes it takes two to tango and the republican party has done as much to bring this nation down as any democrat.
In the case of this election I do not believe that it is the Republicans have lowered their standards but the church who has forsaken the standards of God. The republican party has not had moral standards, if it ever did, for a very long time. The republican party in practice is no different then the democrat party. If they were we would not be in the mess we are in as he old saying goes it takes two to tango and the republican party has done as much to bring this nation down as any democrat.
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saturneptune
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It is not a worn out phrase. It is timeless. What is worn out is the constant lowering of standards and inventing new ways to make former pro abortionists and gay rights supporters acceptable to the Christian community. If you cannot see the difference between Reagan and Romney, then maybe you should reenroll at your local community college in government 101.
freeatlast
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The fact that there is a difference between a a wolf and a mountain lion does not mean they are not both meat eaters. Reagan and Romney was/are both politicians. The democrats and the republicans have both pushed this nation over the cliff even though they push from different angles. The difference between the two parties may be different but the end result is the same. One has been pushed us over the cliff and the other has driven us over the cliff.
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saturneptune
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In the sense of the way things were many, many years ago, you are correct. However, in the last especially thirty years, Americans have pursued the hobby of making Republicans look like Demcrats. For example, at one time Democrats were for abortion but kept it oned down. Republicans were pro life at the same time. We have progressed from that to Democrats pushing the agenda radically. Republicans have gone from being pro life to nominating a candidate that supported abortion and now says he is pro life. I suppose the gap is still there, but many shades of gray.
I do not know what the answer is. I thought third parties would make a difference, but found out different, (another story) We must internally change the Republican Party. At the same time, there is nothing to stop conservative Democrats to at least try moving their party back to the middle for starters. That is the only way we are going to get a decent choice in 2016.
freeatlast
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That would be nice, but that would mean many who cliam to be conservitive would have to change first. In that regard the party is not the problem, the people we put into it are. The proof that we have no intention in changing the party was made clear with the run up to the primaries and we refused to support people like michael bachman and even perhaps rick santorum. Now we are going to reap what we have sowed.
He was a great man and a great president.
No other president in the last 100 years can rival him for pure and outspoken love of country. None other was the leader he was.
He accomplished a lot in spite of strong democrat opposition. In his defense, A lot of his deficit spending was to rebuild a military, in particular a navy, that was falling apart from the neglect of democrats.
He truly belongs on Mt. Rushmore. Obama belongs on the trash heap of history.
freeatlast
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Anyone can make a speech. I am going on his record and I do not see him as great. Better than some yes,, better then President Obama, I know of no one worse so yes he is better then President Obama.
:laugh: Wanna bet! Not the highly motivating uplifting speeches he could make. That's leadership. He was a man who respected his office and loved his country so much that he refused to enter the oval office without coat and tie. That's leadership. He made compromises with democrats when he had to and won some victories outright. That's leadership.
I don't expect you to understand.
freeatlast
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We disagree. Speeches and wearing ties do not make great men and compromise proves it. Great men do not compromise.
You're living in a fantasy world.
saturneptune
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One thing you and I agree on is the excellent quality of Reagan and his Presidency.
freeatlast
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I think it would be called that by most. However I am of the mind that even though something has not been attained does not mean it cannot be attained.
PHL 3:13,14
Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but [this] one thing [I do], forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
You see I believe there is and has been great men, but these great men did not compromise. Daniel is a good example.
And he would never have DREAMED of putting his feet on the Resolute Desk like Obama has been photographed doing.
(Link about the historical significance of the Resolute Desk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolute_desk )
Photo montage of Obama with feet on desk:
http://www.whitehousedossier.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Obama-feet-up-montage.jpg
No respect for this country or this country's history or these valuable gifts at all! Sickening.
Robert Snow
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Thank you for the laugh, I needed it this morning. :laugh:
Robert Snow
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Physician, heal thyself!
OldRegular
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OldRegular
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We agree on one thing. I believe that history will recognize Reagan as the greatest president of the 20th century. Reagan defeated the Soviet Empire while fighting the leftist democrats who wanted to throw in the towel.
Truman may be the second because he used the "bomb" to end the war.