How to convince a Christian to vote 3rd party?

And therefore I can't vote for Bush who has helped to further the decay of America over the last four years.

We survived eight years of Clinton, I think we can survive four years of Bush or Kerry.

I will quote Pennsylvania Jim on your "playing the lottery" theory:

I guess doing the right thing and having faith only applies in non-election matters. I put alot of prayer into the descision to leave the Republican Party back in 1999/2000 and I put alot of prayer into the issue of voting for Peroutka. In the end we can only do what we feel the Lord leading us to do. You vote your conscious and vote for Bus, I vote my conscious and vote for Peroutka. As John Quincy Adams said, "Duty is ours; results are God's".

 

I had an answer to the original question (How to convince a Christian to vote 3rd party?) half typed out, then decided to behave myself for a change so deleted it and typed this instead.

*sigh* I'm getting soft in my old age

 

So you will help to speed it up? That is what I don't understand. I don't understand the mentality that because we can't stop it completely, we will do nothing to slow it at all. To me, that is an abdication of civic responsibility.

I don't dispute that. But the issue is that these next four years set the table for the future, particularly in terms of judicial appointments.

</font>[/QUOTE]Jim was comparing apples to oranges the first time he said this, and repeating it didn't help. In each situation, those people were operating under the direct command of God who was supernaturally intervening. He is not doing that now. 3,000 Peroutka supporters aren't going to defeat 40+ million votes for Kerry or Bush.

Not at all ... and I never suggested that it did.

I didn't have to pray about that at all since I was never a part of the Republican party.

This is certainly true.

 

NetPublicist,

Would you really be comfortable with Chuck Baldwin being a heartbeat away from the Presidency? What kind of experience does he have at running anything other than a Church and a business?

And by the way you obviously have overlooked a lot of Congressional History beginning with day one of the Congress in this country when it comes to PORK BARREL SPENDING!

Go back and read the congressional record and you'll be really appalled at how Congress has spent America's Money since it began.

But then on the other hand - how do you propose that this country's economy run? Strictly on the Capitalistic System or do you prefer a blend of Government/Business working together to keep the fires stoked, the people employed and fed?

 

I am very comfortable with that, I am not one who believes that one has to be a career politician to be a good statesman.

I know that un-constitutional spending has been there since day one, but that doesn't mean we have to accept it. You can't just say, "well someone was going to spend it, so it might as well be the Republicans."

The only legitimate purpose of civil government is to safeguard the God-given rights of its citizens; namely, life, liberty, and property. Only those duties, functions, and programs specifically assigned to the federal government by the Constitution should be funded. We call upon Congress and the President to stop all federal expenditures which are not specifically authorized by the U. S. Constitution, and to restore to the states those powers, programs, and sources of revenue that the federal government has usurped.

We call upon the President to use his Constitutional veto power to stop irresponsible and unconstitutional appropriations, and use his Constitutional authority to refuse to spend any money appropriated by Congress for unconstitutional programs or in excess of Constitutionally imposed tax revenue.

SOURCE

 

Any attack on any person's individual liberties in these United States is a personal attack on me.

 

If you think that President Bush in a second term will reduce domestic spending, abolish the Department of Education, remove the federal government from interfering with health care, etc., you are badly mistaken.

 

I bet it must rally gall you Bush supporters to see that Constitution Party banner every time you come into the Politics Forum list of threads.

 

No sir because I remember the ugly remarks by those anti The Passion of the Christ about that banner.

I don't own the board or pay the bills. None of my business.

Diane

 

Way to go, Diane!

 

Amen to that. Such a simple concept, and so few people can get it.

 

For all supporters of lesser evil, I suggest voting for Kerry. Bush has moved the country much further leftward in four years than Clinton did in eight. It's not likely that Kerry would be more liberal than Clinton, let alone Bush. So, do your less-evil Christian duty and cast your les-evil vote for the less-evil Kerry. Then live with the less-evil consequences.

 

Would you consider voting for a 3rd-party candidate?

 

If you think that Peroutka will do anything at all about the budget, then you are more badly mistaken than I. Bush in fact has outlined budget cutting issues already, including some of these things. Kerry has already promised more than he can deliver.

BTW, Peroutka finally made a news story. He is on page 1 of WorldNetDaily today. All this time into the campaign and he finally gets some press. Good for him.

 

Peroutka was in the Wahsington Times twice before announcing his campaign, he has also been on FoxNews.com and intervied on a Fox News television affiliate, on many other political news sites and has been interviewd on many radio stations around the country. Peroutka doesn't have the publicity that Bush and Kerry do because he doesn't have the millions that they have.

 

Pennsylvania Jim, I love you man, I really do and I love reading your posts, but the last one is ridiculous. President Bush has not moved the country farther left. You honestly think putting John Kerry in office will slow the anti-Christian movement of the United States?

 

I think one of the things Jim is referring to is the non-defense spending of Bush which is anything but conservative:

There was an average annual growth rate of 2.4% during Clinton's eight years, compared to an average of 11.8% during Bush's first three. Someone forgot to tell President Bush the numbers though, because in his Feb. 8 interview the President erred in this exchange:

Russert: But your base conservatives -- and listen to Rush Limbaugh, the Heritage Foundation, CATO Institute, they're all saying you are the biggest spender in American history.

President Bush: Well, they're wrong.

Russert: Mr. President

President Bush: If you look at the appropriations bills that were passed under my watch, in the last year of President Clinton, discretionary spending was up 15 percent, and ours have steadily declined.



As Clinton's budget surpluses have turned to deficits, Bush has come under criticism from all sides, liberals complaining about tax cuts and, conservatives complaining about spending.

A Cato Institute analyst wrote Jan. 23 calling the increase "The Republican Spending Explosion,” and said discretionary spending increases signed by Bush -- once adjusted for inflation -- "are 3 of the 10 biggest annual increases in the last 40 years.”

A Heritage Foundation analyst wrote that "spending has increased twice as fast under President Bush as it did under President Clinton," and attributed the spending surge less to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 than to a lack of "self-discipline required to balance fiscal priorities."

 

Bush would have to cut a whole lot to undo the damage of his wild spending spree. I don't believe he has any intnetion of such significant action. I do believe that he will continue to be far more effective than Kerry at gutting our economy and manufacturing base, with the big dollars flowing into the hands of a few of his elite associates. Not that Kerry wouldn't do a pretty good job of it also.

Some here seem really upset over a Godly candidate for office.

 

That just really irritates those who are dedicated to Bush.

 

If ya keep on doin the same things ya been doin yer gonna keep gittin the same things ya been gittin.