How to understand the Bible

[Marcia]

Logic is sicence men use to figure things out, and because it is man's, is not perfect. Reading your sentence only takes comprehension which is not Logic. I took your sentence to mean what you wrote I did no science.
MB

I think you are talking about formal logic, like what is taught in colleges. But there is basic logic that is part of reasoning.

God gave us our brains and he gave us logic. Being made in the image of God partly means we can reason and think logically. Animals do not reason.

"Come, let us reason together" says God in Isaiah.

And he entered the synagogue and continued speaking out boldly for three months, reasoning and persuading them about the kingdom of God. Acts 19.8

 

[J.D.]

Well, I guess I was making a slight distinction between what it means to us today and how to apply it (personally speaking).

So the passage might mean to us today that we need to not act out on our anger in a sinful way, then I think how I personally apply that in my life. Might be different for you, depending.

Does that make sense?

Well, I'm probably being a little nit-picky. But this is what I mean - the passage that says we need to not act out on our anger in a sinful way today would mean the same thing two thousand years ago when it was originally written. And then, yes, apply it appropriately.

I'm just a little cautious about asking "what does it mean today" because that could throw the door open for error. There are passages that have particular cultural applications, but the eternal truths underlaying those application remain the same. I can't think of a good example of it - I'm currently extremely brain fatigued. But then, I'm always brain fatigued. Later.

 

[Marcia]

I'm just a little cautious about asking "what does it mean today" because that could throw the door open for error. There are passages that have particular cultural applications, but the eternal truths underlaying those application remain the same. I can't think of a good example of it - I'm currently extremely brain fatigued. But then, I'm always brain fatigued. Later.

Well, I was fatigued too, so my example wasn't very good.

But I know what you mean. I agree that some use "what does it mean today" to make it say things it doesn't.

And I agree it means the same thing then as now, although the specific applications can vary.

 

[Jim1999]

One example is where Paul is speaking about women's hair being their glory and headcovering..Some think the long hair is the message. In that area, however, prostitutes had their head shaven in shame of what they did. Just perhaps, culturally, Paul is telling the women in THAT church not to cut their hair because there is shame attached to shorn hair. If this is so, then it is not a message for all time not to cut one's hair, as most women do to-day. It was a cultural thing. Perhaps the message is modesty or moderation or some such thing.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[J.D.]

You don't need God do you JD. You can do it all by your self.
MB

I don't think you really mean that, but when I said that I fear that you have isolated yourself, I meant that. I hope I'm wrong. We all need to be pastored and taught.

 

[J.D.]

One example is where Paul is speaking about women's hair being their glory and headcovering..Some think the long hair is the message. In that area, however, prostitutes had their head shaven in shame of what they did. Just perhaps, culturally, Paul is telling the women in THAT church not to cut their hair because there is shame attached to shorn hair. If this is so, then it is not a message for all time not to cut one's hair, as most women do to-day. It was a cultural thing. Perhaps the message is modesty or moderation or some such thing.

Cheers,

Jim

Good example Jim. But I think there is also a timeless principle in the headcovering, but we can deal with that some other time. The old headcovering controversy - it's been done before.

 

[MB]

quote: The man was taught from eye witnesses. You simply don't know what you're talking about. God certainly doesn't reveal anything to those who rebel. We have to be willing to receive it.
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Yeppers..Jonah rebelled..he didn't want to know God's will........God had him thrown overboard and he was swallowed by a huge fish prepared by God, spit out and finally he decided he better do what God wished..........Some story, but I guess it was just fiction since it doesn't fit the theology of some.

Cheers,

Jim

Jonah was corrected of his rebellion to go to Ninevah that's not the same as reading and understanding scripture. Jonah knew God's will he just didn't want to comply to it.
MB

 

[MB]

I think you are talking about formal logic, like what is taught in colleges. But there is basic logic that is part of reasoning.

God gave us our brains and he gave us logic. Being made in the image of God partly means we can reason and think logically. Animals do not reason.

"Come, let us reason together" says God in Isaiah.

And he entered the synagogue and continued speaking out boldly for three months, reasoning and persuading them about the kingdom of God. Acts 19.8

Exactly my point He didn't reason it alone he had God reason it with him. So it wasn't the man's comprehension alone. When I study God's precious word I certainly hope that I'm guided by God's hand in it. Everything we understand of scripture is the result of God's direction.
MB