How was Goliath killed?

[EdSutton]

Don't know all the details, 'zackly. The way I'se gots it figgered is that Goliath "lost his head". Then he lost his head!
Ed

 

[Diggin in da Word]

While it is pretty easy to explain the apparent contradiction in these verses, the difference between 1 Sam 17 and 2 Sam 21 is more difficult.

Those who allege a "contradiction" in these passages should be put on the spot to tell us why the only similarity between the two stories is the name of the giant.

There is not contradiction in these passages, although you are wrong when you say the only similarity is the name.

Read 1 Samuel 17:7 and then 2 Samuel 21:19. The giant's staff in both accounts was 'like a weaver's beam', the same size as the original Goliath's staff.

 

[Salamander]

May have already been stated, but Goliath is a type of the devil confronting the people of God/ Israel.

David slew Goliath with sling and stone, that comparable mortal wound to that of when Jesus bruised satan's head.

David slew the giant by taking his own sword/ the devil's tool, and removed Goliath's head/ representative of the power as head of principalities and the prince of the air.

Of course to this literal crowd who has to have everything spelled out for them to know anything, I won't expect much agreement, unless of course......

 

[Salamander]

There is not contradiction in these passages, although you are wrong when you say the only similarity is the name.

Read 1 Samuel 17:7 and then 2 Samuel 21:19. The giant's staff in both accounts was 'like a weaver's beam', the same size as the original Goliath's staff.

So are you saying that only Goliath could have a spear like that? Wouldn't his brothers be allowed to have a spear of the same magnitude?:sleep:

 

[guitarpreacher]

Try a better translation.


50 So David triumphed over the Philistine with a sling and a stone; without a sword in his hand he struck down the Philistine and killed him. 51 David ran and stood over him. He took hold of the Philistine's sword and drew it from the scabbard. After he killed him, he cut off his head with the sword.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

So are you saying that only Goliath could have a spear like that? Wouldn't his brothers be allowed to have a spear of the same magnitude?:sleep:

Salamander, yes. I was not saying this was the same Goliath. I was saying that the staff was the same.

As a matter of fact, I believe the KJV is more correct in the 2 Samuel passage when it reads 'the brother of Goliath'.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Try a better translation.


50 So David triumphed over the Philistine with a sling and a stone; without a sword in his hand he struck down the Philistine and killed him. 51 David ran and stood over him. He took hold of the Philistine's sword and drew it from the scabbard. After he killed him, he cut off his head with the sword.

KJV does not say that, it says he slew him with the stone and then again, he slew him with the sword.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

The NIV is not a better translation, BTW.

 

[guitarpreacher]

The NIV is not a better translation, BTW.

it's a free country and you have the right to stay confused if you want to. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Ed Edwards]

Goliath got stoned.

It is easy to loose your head when you get stoned.

\o/ Temprance for America; America for Temprance \o/

 

[Diggin in da Word]

it's a free country and you have the right to stay confused if you want to. :smilewinkgrin:

Not confused in the least.

It is the NIV that says Goliath was killed twice, not the KJV.

Elhanan, according to the NIV, killed Goliath
Elhanan, according to the KJV, killed Lahmi, the brother of Goliath. I will believe the KJV

 

[guitarpreacher]

Not confused in the least.

It is the NIV that says Goliath was killed twice, not the KJV.

Elhanan, according to the NIV, killed Goliath
Elhanan, according to the KJV, killed Lahmi, the brother of Goliath. I will believe the KJV

I think it's pretty well established that there was more than one Goliath. That's like reading two accounts of different battles in WWII where it list a Sgt Smith as being killed and saying they're talking about the same guy.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Not confused in the least.

It is the NIV that says Goliath was killed twice, not the KJV.

Elhanan, according to the NIV, killed Goliath
Elhanan, according to the KJV, killed Lahmi, the brother of Goliath. I will believe the KJV

I think it's pretty well established that there was more than one Goliath. That's like reading two accounts of different battles in WWII where it list a Sgt Smith as being killed and saying they're talking about the same guy.

I am anything but KJVO, but Diggin in da Word is correct. The KJV is more correct in this instance.

The only problem is that the translation chosen by the KJV translators is not based on any manuscript evidence but based on the assumption, which is agreed by most modern scholars, that there were scribal errors in the Hebrew manuscripts. The NIV, NASB and other modern translations try to be truer to the manuscripts they are based on, and translate the MT as it appears with the scribal error.

 

[Ransom]

Diggin said:

Read 1 Samuel 17:7 and then 2 Samuel 21:19. The giant's staff in both accounts was 'like a weaver's beam', the same size as the original Goliath's staff.

Imagine that. Two giants both have big spears.

 

[Allan]

Especially if one inherits (since there would doubtless be more than one -they break in battle) a spear (size and all) from his father.
There is only one giant of Gath -and this giant had 4 sons. We know that 4 giants were killed by Davids servents (one of them unnamed) but one was killed by David. It is not uncommon for (even then) for Sons to be named after their fathers especially if the name was discriptive in some way -ie like Goliath - Massive, huge.

We see it states:

2Sa 21:22 These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants

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4 were born -plus- the giant in Gath -equals 5 total giants
4 killed by Davids servents -plus- David Killed the giant in Gath -equals- 5 total dead giants

Let scripture interpret scripture. Goliath (who fought David) Died once (but with two fatal blows - the final was not for good measure but it could be said as an expample, symbolism, I think it was for a trophy of Gods glory AGAINST the ungodly) and his sons who obviously would hate the Jewish people still did battle with them (as we see in the content of scripture) until they were put down as well.

 

[LeBuick]

The Little ones did the Sunday school review today and I learned he died because they didn't have asprin.

One of the little fella's about 6 or so, took the mic and as sincere as a 6 year old can be reasoned Goliath had a severe headache because David hit him in the head with a rock. But they didn't have aprin yet, so he died...

 

[Allan]

I like that, I have to remember that.

I laughed pretty good with that one

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Especially if one inherits (since there would doubtless be more than one -they break in battle) a spear (size and all) from his father.
There is only one giant of Gath -and this giant had 4 sons. We know that 4 giants were killed by Davids servents (one of them unnamed) but one was killed by David. It is not uncommon for (even then) for Sons to be named after their fathers especially if the name was discriptive in some way -ie like Goliath - Massive, huge.

We see it states:
.
4 were born -plus- the giant in Gath -equals 5 total giants
4 killed by Davids servents -plus- David Killed the giant in Gath -equals- 5 total dead giants

Let scripture interpret scripture. Goliath (who fought David) Died once (but with two fatal blows - the final was not for good measure but it could be said as an expample, symbolism, I think it was for a trophy of Gods glory AGAINST the ungodly) and his sons who obviously would hate the Jewish people still did battle with them (as we see in the content of scripture) until they were put down as well.

Concerning the one killed by Elhanan, the Scripture tells us his name was Lahmi. It says he was the brother of Goliath.

Then in a later verse in the same chapter, he is one of Goliath's sons.

Did Goliath take a sister in otder for Lahmi to be both a brother and a son?

 

[Allan]

Since it is speaking here about the SONS of the Giant of Gath, and in the previous post I state that it was not uncommon to name their children after their fathers especially if the name was descriptive...ie, Goliath - Massive, Huge;
Then it would indicate that there were two Goliaths, and the text is singling out (here in 2 Sam) the son Goliath, as it is speaking of the sons. If it is not 4 sons (one named Goliath as well) then Who killed the Gaint of Gath, since all other giants (the 4 sons) were killed by Davids servents? (specially since David is named amoung the slayers of these Giants)

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Allan, in the verse you state as the Giant being called Goliath, the KJV does not call him that. The KJV names him as Lahmi, the brother of Goliath. I lean toward that being the most accurate.