How were people saved in the old testament?

[EdSutton]

After the person repented then God accepted the sacrifice.

Except that you cannot find an instance where any individual ever is said to have 'repented' in the OT, except Job. (Job 42:6) Although Israel and Ninevah are said to have 'collectively' repented. (Jdg. 21:6,14; Jer. 31:19; Mt. 12:41; Lk. 11:32)

On the other hand, the ~30 times God (did or did not) repent seem to get little press, in most churches I've been in. (Gen. 6:6,7; Ex. 32:12,14; Num. 23:19; Deut. 32:36; I Sam. 15:11, 29, 35; II Sam. 24:16; I Chron. 21:15; Ps. 90:13; 106:45; 110:4; 135:14; Jer. 4:28; Jer. 18:8,10; 20:16; 26:3,13,19; 42:10; Ezek. 24:14; Hos. 1:8; Joel 2:13,14; Am. 7:3,6: Jon. 3:9,10; 4:2; Heb. 7:21)

In fact, God repented so often, He says He got tired of doing it. (Jer. 15:6c)

5 For who shall have pity upon thee, O Jerusalem? or who shall bemoan thee? or who shall go aside to ask how thou doest?
6 Thou hast forsaken me, saith the LORD, thou art gone backward: therefore will I stretch out my hand against thee, and destroy thee; I am weary with repenting.
7 And I will fan them with a fan in the gates of the land; I will bereave them of children, I will destroy my people since they return not from their ways. (Jer. 15:5-7 - KJV)

BTW, Job repented, but his three friends were the one required to bring the sacrifices to the presence of Job, who then prayed for them. (Job: 42:7-10)

Yup! Not heard a whole lotta' sermons on any of the above.

Ed

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Courtesy of Palatka51:
"18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem.
19 Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering: then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar."

GE:
" ... in thy good pleasure ... Then shalt thou be pleased with ... righteousness.

The Old and the New; and the common of both, is the latter.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Except that you cannot find an instance where any individual ever is said to have 'repented' in the OT, except Job. (Job 42:6) Although Israel and Ninevah are said to have 'collectively' repented. (Jdg. 21:6,14; Jer. 31:19; Mt. 12:41; Lk. 11:32)

On the other hand, the ~30 times God (did or did not) repent seem to get little press, in most churches I've been in. (Gen. 6:6,7; Ex. 32:12,14; Num. 23:19; Deut. 32:36; I Sam. 15:11, 29, 35; II Sam. 24:16; I Chron. 21:15; Ps. 90:13; 106:45; 110:4; 135:14; Jer. 4:28; Jer. 18:8,10; 20:16; 26:3,13,19; 42:10; Ezek. 24:14; Hos. 1:8; Joel 2:13,14; Am. 7:3,6: Jon. 3:9,10; 4:2; Heb. 7:21)

In fact, God repented so often, He says He got tired of doing it. (Jer. 15:6c) BTW, Job repented, but his three friends were the one required to bring the sacrifices to the presence of Job, who then prayed for them. (Job: 42:7-10)

Yup! Not heard a whole lotta' sermons on any of the above.

Ed

GE:

Keen observation, Ed Sutton! Whose, will you say, is the "contrite heart"? Yea, to revel in! This is a joyous truth!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Palatka51:
"Sound familiar? It does to me. It sounds like Grace was granted after repentance."

True, but only because Grace was granted unto, repentance, first.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Samuel Owen: This gets a little complicated, to deal with. But before the law there was no sin imputed, because the law had not been given to reveal it. But none the less death by sin reigned, from Adam to Moses.

HP: Was sin imputed to Adam and Eve? Was sin imputed to Cain? Are you certain of your position here? Have you read God's words to Cain lately? Was that written before of after the law that you refer to?

 

[Cutter]

Samuel Owen: This gets a little complicated, to deal with. But before the law there was no sin imputed, because the law had not been given to reveal it. But none the less death by sin reigned, from Adam to Moses.

HP: Was sin imputed to Adam and Eve? Was sin imputed to Cain? Are you certain of your position here? Have you read God's words to Cain lately? Was that written before of after the law that you refer to?

Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world:but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

What Samuel Owen said is directly from the Bible.

 

[peterotto]

How were people saved in the old testament? Even before Moses, like Adam and stuff?

Since you are a dispensationalist and interpret Jesus return through your eyes reading the headlines of the day. I'll answer for you.

You believe there are two different types of salvation. One for the Jews and one for the "Church age". In otherwords, faith plus works before Christ, faith alone for those after Christ, and faith plus works for the Jews again during the Great tribulation.

 

[Samuel Owen]

Faith plus Nothing = the salvation of the Lord. To the Jew first, then unto the Greek.

I don't have time to get into it right now, very much more than this. This is Bible Study night, and I have to get ready to go.

 

[trustitl]

Since you are a dispensationalist and interpret Jesus return through your eyes reading the headlines of the day. I'll answer for you.

You believe there are two different types of salvation. One for the Jews and one for the "Church age". In otherwords, faith plus works before Christ, faith alone for those after Christ, and faith plus works for the Jews again during the Great tribulation.

You might be reading into his words something that is not there. If you notice, he asked "How were people saved in the OT?". His words imply that something was done on their behalf to save them.

You seem to think he is using the word "save" more like we use the word escape.
To be saved implies an outsider doing something to result in one being rescued.

 

[Butch5]

Baptism is required obedience but does not save nor did the shedding of animal blood which was also required obedience.

Are you sure that baptism does not save?

 

[BobRyan]

How were people saved in the old testament? Even before Moses, like Adam and stuff?

1. By grace through faith -- you know "the Gospel"
2. Gal 1:6-9 says there has only ever been "one Gospel"
3. Heb 4:1 says "the Gospel was preached to us just as it was to them also".
4. 1Peter 1 -- Peter describes the fact that the OT saints were told about "the sufferings of Christ AND the glories to follow"
5. Enoch was taken directly to heaven -- Heb 11 and Genesis 5 make that point.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[LeBuick]

The same way we are, based on the coming of the messiah, who died for all sin, past, present, and future.

Ro:4:3: For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

What did Abraham believe, Gods promise of a coming seed, who would make Abraham the father of many nations. That seed being Jesus of Nazareth.

Adam also believed this same promise. As it was spoken to him, in the Garden of Eden.

Great point of view...

Ac 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Samuel Owen:
"Adam also believed this same promise. As it was spoken to him, in the Garden of Eden."

GE
Yea! And this ame promise as it was spoken to Adam, in the garden of Eden, was spoken to Abel, and to Abraham, and to Abraham Lincoln, and to Samuel Owen, and to Gerhard Ebersoehn - right there and then - 'in the garden of Eden, in 'Paradise', even as it was then and there spoken to the thief on the cross, 'in the garden' as it was then as then as today, spoken by God, in Christ and through Christ and for the sake of Christ, only, and ever and once for all.

Let it be clear, like any are saved today, all were saved from the first sinner. Only they all and everyone, had to be, sinners, first. That is the only condition we all, indiscriminately share, and must share, in order for Christ to be the Saviour of us all.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

And, of course, the fact - I must say it because it pleased God to declare it - that He chose to be the Saviour of us (who believe we are God's saved).

 

[LeBuick]

GE
Yea! And this ame promise as it was spoken to Adam, in the garden of Eden, was spoken to Abel, and to Abraham, and to Abraham Lincoln, and to Samuel Owen, and to Gerhard Ebersoehn - right there and then - 'in the garden of Eden, in 'Paradise', even as it was then and there spoken to the thief on the cross, 'in the garden' as it was then as then as today, spoken by God, in Christ and through Christ and for the sake of Christ, only, and ever and once for all.

Let it be clear, like any are saved today, all were saved from the first sinner. Only they all and everyone, had to be, sinners, first. That is the only condition we all, indiscriminately share, and must share, in order for Christ to be the Saviour of us all.

interesting perspective, I never gave much thought to how the theif received the word. Are you saying it was visually spoken to him in the actions taking place around him to the point that he said, "Truly this must be the Son of God" or can you expound on this a bit more. i think you are really on to something here... :thumbs:

And, of course, the fact - I must say it because it pleased God to declare it - that He chose to be the Saviour of us (who believe we are God's saved).

So much so that the Lamb was slain in time before the foundation of the world. Thank you Lord... :thumbs: :godisgood:

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

LeBuick:
"interesting perspective, I never gave much thought to how the theif received the word. Are you saying it was visually spoken to him in the actions taking place around him to the point that he said, "Truly this must be the Son of God" or can you expound on this a bit more. i think you are really on to something here... "

GE
First a little correction. It was the centurion who said these words, not the thief. But it's immaterial since salvation visits all in the only way God willed it. Thief or centurion. John uses this simplest of all statements, Our names "written in the Book of Life from before the foundation of the world".

Karl Barth (I have often referred to) says Christianity that not ganz und gar und restloss / completely and without reserve is eschatology, completely and without reserve has nothing to do with Christ. (I think one of his most quoted and least understood sayings.) It is on this priciple I believe the elect are saved from everlasting to everlasting. At no one point in time, not, by faith in Jesus Christ through Grace. Not one single soul has ever been saved other than through and by the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This is the one point in the vast discipline of theology and even vaster reality of salvation I a priori shall not be proven wrong in.