Humans respond to God’s revelation of Himself

[kyredneck]

The argument of 2 Peter is the “unwilling for any to perish” is referring to any of the chosen.

Correct:

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come forth, my people, out of her, that ye have no fellowship with her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues: Rev 18

...and it's "all people" as opposed to 'Jews only'.

This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

...and "saved" is not necessarily intended to be in the eternal sense, i.e., saved from hell to heaven.

 

[kyredneck]

Am I misunderstanding you?

2 Peter 3:9 (NASB 2020)
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance.

The argument of 2 Peter is the “unwilling for any to perish” is referring to any of the chosen.

And it needs to be understood that 'perish' is not referring to 'burning in hell'.

 

[canadyjd]

And it needs to be understood that 'perish' is not referring to 'burning in hell'.

Ok, what’s it referring to? Lake of fire? Eternal separation?

peace to you

 

[kyredneck]

Ok, what’s it referring to? Lake of fire? Eternal separation?

What do you think the context is about? The physical heaven and earth made up of molecules, atoms, quarks, and quantum particles? If you won't accept that we are new creatures of the new heaven and new earth of the new covenant and it was the old heaven and the old earth of the old covenant that was 'dissolved with fervent heat', then you won't accept that 'perish' here is not referring to infinity burning in hell.

I think you and I have been here before.

 

[canadyjd]

What do you think the context is about? The physical heaven and earth made up of molecules, atoms, quarks, and quantum particles? If you won't accept that we are new creatures of the new heaven and new earth of the new covenant and it was the old heaven and the old earth of the old covenant that was 'dissolved with fervent heat', then you won't accept that 'perish' here is not referring to infinity burning in hell.

I think you and I have been here before.

Well, if we have, I must have slept once or twice since then.

If you favor annihilation theology, then we will disagree. Jesus said the fire (that place) is never quenched and the worm never dies.

peace to you

 

[kyredneck]

Well, if we have, I must have slept once or twice since then.

I'm 70, not as swuft as I once was, probably mistaken.

If you favor annihilation theology

Has nothing to do with that.

 

[canadyjd]

I'm 70, not as swuft as I once was, probably mistaken.

Has nothing to do with that.

Ok, you have got me interested. What is it?

peace to you

 

[kyredneck]

Ok, you have got me interested. What is it?

peace to you

Think about this...

40 And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation. Acts 2

Is the salvation here in the eternal or in the temporal sense?

 

[kyredneck]

Ok, you have got me interested. What is it?

peace to you

Think about this...

40 And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation. Acts 2

Is the salvation here in the eternal or in the temporal sense?

Gill on Acts 2:40:
"...saying, save yourselves from this untoward generation: meaning, the chief priests, Scribes, and Pharisees, and elders of the people, chiefly, who were a perverse generation of men; and upon whom, for their impenitence and unbelief, for their rejection of the Messiah, and their evil treatment of him, wrath and ruin would come upon them, to the uttermost, very quickly; wherefore the apostle exhorts to separate from them, and not partake of their sins, lest they should also of their plagues; but come out from among them, and so, in a temporal sense, save themselves from the destruction that would quickly come on their nation, city, and temple; and so the Arabic version renders it, "escape from this rough generation"...."

 

[kyredneck]

Ok, you have got me interested. What is it?

peace to you

Think about this...

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some count slackness; but is longsuffering to you-ward, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2 Pe 3

Is the perishing here in the eternal or in the temporal sense?

 

[kyredneck]

Ok, you have got me interested. What is it?

peace to you

Think about this...

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned. Mk 16

Is the salvation here in the eternal or in the temporal sense?

 

[kyredneck]

Ok, you have got me interested. What is it?

peace to you

Think about this...

16 Take heed to thyself, and to thy teaching. Continue in these things; for in doing this thou shalt save both thyself and them that hear thee. 1 Tim 4

Is the salvation here in the eternal or in the temporal sense?

 

[kyredneck]

Ok, you have got me interested. What is it?

peace to you

Think about this...

20 that aforetime were disobedient, when the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water:
21 which also after a true likeness doth now save you, even baptism, not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the interrogation of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ; 1 Pe 3

Is the salvation here in the eternal or in the temporal sense?

 

[canadyjd]

Temporal
Temporal
Eternal
Eternal
Eternal

I do see your point, especially concerning Acts 2, which is likely temporal separation from a corrupt generation.

This rest, however, with mention of the resurrection of Jesus is more likely eternal, imo.

It is interesting to consider and I haven’t thought about the Acts 2 passage being temporal.

Thanks for sharing

peace to you

 

[percho]

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
Rom 10:10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.


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I am going to only address the above from your post. To be honest, I did not read the rest of the post for I did not have to.

Jesus as Lord.

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Phil 2:10,11

That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: Eph 1:10

Is everyone [all] going to do that or knot?

 

[percho]

Did God advertise for someone to build the ark or did God call Noah to build the ark?

 

[percho]

God did not advertise for someone in whose that ones seed all the nations would be blessed, God called Abram for that purpose.

 

[Silverhair]

I am going to only address the above from your post. To be honest, I did not read the rest of the post for I did not have to.

Jesus as Lord.

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Phil 2:10,11

That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: Eph 1:10

Is everyone [all] going to do that or knot?

The text is clear. Everyone will bow, those that believe in worship and those that do not believe in fear. All will recognize Christ as LORD.

 

[Silverhair]

Did God advertise for someone to build the ark or did God call Noah to build the ark?

God called him for a purpose.

 

[Silverhair]

God did not advertise for someone in whose that ones seed all the nations would be blessed, God called Abram for that purpose.

God called him for a purpose. But what you must not forget is that Noah and Abram had to respond.