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I’m Not Playing the New Game of ‘Deny Trump to Prove Your Love for Jesus’

Revmitchell

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We hear this on a daily, if not hourly basis. Evangelicals have hurt their witness by voting for Trump. Evangelicals have lost their credibility by supporting Trump. Evangelicals can no longer be taken seriously because they’re in bed with Trump. And on and on it goes.

It doesn’t matter who he appoints to the Supreme Court. It doesn’t matter if he improves the economy. Or strengthens the military. Or helps stabilize the Middle East.

Not at all. Trump is a heartless, misogynistic, immoral, narcissistic, xenophobic monster, and whoever voted for him (or continues to support him) is not worthy of the name “Christian.”

This has almost become the new orthodoxy: Prove your allegiance to Jesus by denouncing Trump. Failure to denounce him is proof positive that you have compromised your witness.

Sorry, but I’m not playing this game. In fact, I refuse the premise of this game.

They Wouldn’t Accept Us Anyway
First, the very ones driving this narrative are the ones who didn’t take our faith seriously before. They branded us bigots and homophobes. They criticized us as Bible-bashers and rightwing extremists. And they’re the ones now saying, “We would take you more seriously if you denounced Trump.”

I don’t think so. They didn’t take us seriously before. Why should they suddenly say, “Now that you’ve put a distance between yourselves and that crazy man in the White House, we’d love to hear your views on abortion and homosexuality. Yes, please tell us why abortion is murder and why same-sex marriage is illegitimate in God’s sight. You have so much to offer us.”

Not quite!

https://stream.org/game-deny-trump-prove-love-jesus/
 

Yeshua1

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We hear this on a daily, if not hourly basis. Evangelicals have hurt their witness by voting for Trump. Evangelicals have lost their credibility by supporting Trump. Evangelicals can no longer be taken seriously because they’re in bed with Trump. And on and on it goes.

It doesn’t matter who he appoints to the Supreme Court. It doesn’t matter if he improves the economy. Or strengthens the military. Or helps stabilize the Middle East.

Not at all. Trump is a heartless, misogynistic, immoral, narcissistic, xenophobic monster, and whoever voted for him (or continues to support him) is not worthy of the name “Christian.”

This has almost become the new orthodoxy: Prove your allegiance to Jesus by denouncing Trump. Failure to denounce him is proof positive that you have compromised your witness.

Sorry, but I’m not playing this game. In fact, I refuse the premise of this game.

They Wouldn’t Accept Us Anyway
First, the very ones driving this narrative are the ones who didn’t take our faith seriously before. They branded us bigots and homophobes. They criticized us as Bible-bashers and rightwing extremists. And they’re the ones now saying, “We would take you more seriously if you denounced Trump.”

I don’t think so. They didn’t take us seriously before. Why should they suddenly say, “Now that you’ve put a distance between yourselves and that crazy man in the White House, we’d love to hear your views on abortion and homosexuality. Yes, please tell us why abortion is murder and why same-sex marriage is illegitimate in God’s sight. You have so much to offer us.”

Not quite!

https://stream.org/game-deny-trump-prove-love-jesus/
They would have a real hard time dealing withthe Jesus of the Bible, as he would not buckle under their peer pressure and trying to get Him to confirm!
 

InTheLight

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Another post where the title doesn't live up to the content.

I see "you've compromised your witness" by not denouncing Trump.
I see "we'd take you more seriously if you denounce Trump."
I see “If you don’t speak out against the separation of children at the borders you’re a hypocrite!”

But I don't see "deny Trump to prove your love for Jesus", except in the headline. Author even goes on to say that Ben Shapiro has denounced Trump and the left still doesn't like him. (Ben Shapiro is a Jew.)

At one point the author says this:
Third, many of us who did vote for Trump said from the start that we had grave concerns about his character. That we thought he could be very divisive. That some of his rhetoric could be dangerous. And plenty of us have expressed our disagreement with the president since he was elected. How, then, does our vote for him impinge on our faith?

It seems the theme of his article is moving all over the place.

Still, I understand what the author is trying to say. And I agree with it, for the most part. Too bad he's not doing a good job of it.
 

Rockson

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I'm not a American but if I were I feel the witness of my spirit would be to vote for Trump. If Christians do vote for Trump I sometimes think they're missing the primary issue of why. I feel in my heart that the most major thing of importance is what Paul the Apostle asked us to pray....and that's the gospel will have free course..2 Thessalonians 3:1.to be able to be preached without being hindered. The word of life is what I think our focus should be. Establishing good laws are fine but if the hearts of men aren't changed I wonder how much the Kingdom of God is advanced. When people are born again because the word has free course well...they now have LIFE . The Kingdom is advanced. I think President Trump more so shows favor to the Body of Christ in having the freedom of speech, that is to share the gospel. :Cool
 
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Salty

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What really was a shame are those Facebook friends who defriended us because we did not oppose Trump. Notice - I did not say - we supported Trump - just simply did not oppose ----
I was willing to support virtually any of the dozen or so R candidates. But that was not good enough for many.
Of course, I had concerns about three divorces, his vast business interest in gambling, and ect. - but I doubt that there will ever be a candidate that I would agree with 100%

Before we know it - 2020 will be here -we cannot afford to have a liberal - take the White House.
 
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Yeshua1

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What really was a shame are those Facebook friends who defended us because we did not oppose Trump. Notice - I did not say - we supported Trump - just simply did not oppose ----
I was willing to support virtually any of the dozen or so R candidates. But that was not good enough for many.
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Of course, I had concerns about three divorces, his vast business interest in gambling, and ect. - but I doubt that there will ever be a candidate that I would agree with 100%

Before we know it - 2020 will be here -we cannot afford to have a liberal - take the White House.
The main thing we must look at would be if their stated policies and agendas are agreeing or disagreeing with the scriptures!
 

Salty

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The main thing we must look at would be if their stated policies and agendas are agreeing or disagreeing with the scriptures!

On moral issues - yes - I would agree with you.

But there are many political issues that the Scriptures are silent. Of those, we must determine what is best for our Country. For example - a Tariff is imposed on a certain product -.....
 

Yeshua1

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On moral issues - yes - I would agree with you.

But there are many political issues that the Scriptures are silent. Of those, we must determine what is best for our Country. For example - a Tariff is imposed on a certain product -.....
Moral issues trump all others though [pun intended]
 

Wingman68

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http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/22/s...y-evangelicals-jumped-aboard-the-trump-train/

There are many more reasons why evangelicals did not vote for hillary. She has about 45 people on the arkancide list who are now prematurely dead. She attacked all the women who were negatively affected by bill’s appetites. She’s totally corrupt. She stole from the White House when they left. She supports gay marriage. She supports abortion. She abandoned them, & then lied about what happened to our people in Bengazi. She laughed to the camera about killing Gaddafi, saying ‘we came, we saw, he died’. She’s so great that her quotes are not suitable unless rated R. I will post them separately. Just a few of my off the cuff reasons why evangelicals did not vote for hillary.
 
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