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I believe ALL who ever existed will be in God's Kingdom.

Mur

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When I was a Catholic I too believed in forever punishment. Verses such as Matthew 25:46 terrified me. Fortunately, but the grace of God, he brought me out of that false system and I began reading the Bible and listening to countless people discussing God and the Bible. I now firmly believe that ALL will be in our Father's Kingdom. I want to share why I believe this. I know most will disagree and I hope that we can nevertheless remain brothers in Christ. Here is the first verse among many that I will share to demonstrate that ALL will be in God's Kingdom!

Ephesians 1:9-11
English Standard Version
9 making known[a] to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in Christ, things in heaven and things on earth in him. 11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
 

Mur

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According to this scripture, it is God's will that ALL THINGS be united to him. It was/is Jesus's mission to do so. Everything is worked out according to God's will.

There are many more scriptures to share but I wanted to start with this.
 

Oseas3

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Greetings in Christ JESUS

GOD WILL SEND STRONG DELUSION - THAT THEY BELIEVE A LIE

The Word is GOD.
Isaiah 66:v.4 combined with 2 Thessalonians 2:v.8-12 and Matthews 24:v.15 to 25 KJV:

Isaiah 66:v.4:
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

2 Thessalonians 2:v.8-12:
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth - His Word - , and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be DAMNED who believed not the Truth - believed not in JESUS -, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Matthew 24: 15 to 25
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand).

THE PRIOR ADVICE OF OUR LORD

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

ABOUT STRONG PUNISHMENT
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

TIME OF GREAT DANGER EVEN FOR THE ELECTS - THE FALSE CHRIST - FALSE MESSIAH
23 Then if any man
-Pastors, and Bishops, or Evangelists, Missionaries, among others - shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets -FALSE PREACHERS OF THE WORD OF GOD - 2Corinthians 11:v.13-15, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive (even) the very elect.


JESUS WARNED:

25 Behold, I have told you before.


In Christ JESUS, KING of kings (kings made by Him), and LORD of lords
 

Zaatar71

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37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:

46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.

49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
 
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Charlie24

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When I was a Catholic I too believed in forever punishment. Verses such as Matthew 25:46 terrified me. Fortunately, but the grace of God, he brought me out of that false system and I began reading the Bible and listening to countless people discussing God and the Bible. I now firmly believe that ALL will be in our Father's Kingdom. I want to share why I believe this. I know most will disagree and I hope that we can nevertheless remain brothers in Christ. Here is the first verse among many that I will share to demonstrate that ALL will be in God's Kingdom!

Ephesians 1:9-11
English Standard Version
9 making known[a] to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in Christ, things in heaven and things on earth in him. 11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,

If you notice, Christ was sent forth "as a plan for the fulness of time, to unite all things in Christ."

What was the plan? The plan is all that believed in Him would be delivered to the Father spotless, body, soul, and spirit.

That is God's plan of redemption at work, and all that He promised to those who love Him.

Christ said, narrow is the gate that leads to life and few there be that find it.

It's all of His plan in Christ that is united, and many exclude themselves by rejecting Christ and thereby rejecting the plan.
 

Charlie24

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If you notice, Christ was sent forth "as a plan for the fulness of time, to unite all things in Christ."

What was the plan? The plan is all that believed in Him would be delivered to the Father spotless, body, soul, and spirit.

That is God's plan of redemption at work, and all that He promised to those who love Him.

Christ said, narrow is the gate that leads to life and few there be that find it.

It's all of His plan in Christ that is united, and many exclude themselves by rejecting Christ and thereby rejecting the plan.

This is also what Calvin ignored, though it was there for him to see.

God predestined man to a plan to be conformed into the image of Christ. His redemptive plan.

God did not predestine the individual of His choosing for salvation, that is pagan!
 

canadyjd

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This is also what Calvin ignored, though it was there for him to see.

God predestined man to a plan to be conformed into the image of Christ. His redemptive plan.

God did not predestine the individual of His choosing for salvation, that is pagan!
God predestined individuals to salvation, according to the pleasure of His good will. He predestined, He called, He regenerated, He bestowed faith as a gift, He sent God Holy Spirit to indwell as the pledge promise all is true. And He will raise up up in the last day.

Peace to you
 

Cathode

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God predestined individuals to salvation, according to the pleasure of His good will.

He predestined only in the sense of His foreknowledge of who would accept His gift of Salvation.

He did not create people to be lost.

“This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.” 1 Timothy 2
 

Mur

Member
It's all of His plan in Christ that is united, and many exclude themselves by rejecting Christ and thereby rejecting the plan.

The Apostle Paul rejected Christ and was on a fast-track to the Lake of Fire. But Paul immediately accepted and followed Christ on the road to Damascus. I believe that nobody can or will reject Jesus once they realize his full glory. I believe that Jesus wants to save ALL and I believe that he is capable of saving all. Besides, it is God's will that ALL be saved and God always gets what he wants! :)

1 Timothy 2:3-4
This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2 Peter 3:9 esv
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

Isaiah 46:10
declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose.

Isaiah 55:11
so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.
 

Charlie24

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The Apostle Paul rejected Christ and was on a fast-track to the Lake of Fire. But Paul immediately accepted and followed Christ on the road to Damascus. I believe that nobody can or will reject Jesus once they realize his full glory. I believe that Jesus wants to save ALL and I believe that he is capable of saving all. Besides, it is God's will that ALL be saved and God always gets what he wants! :)

1 Timothy 2:3-4
This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2 Peter 3:9 esv
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

Isaiah 46:10
declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose.

Isaiah 55:11
so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.

No, God doesn't always get His way with man. We see that throughout Scripture with God pleading for Israel to turn from their sin.

It will be too late for man when he see's the full glory of God.

Nowhere in Scripture is it taught that man gets a second chance after death, that's why the Scripture says, Today is the day of Salvation.
 

Cathode

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Nowhere in Scripture is it taught that man gets a second chance after death, that's why the Scripture says, Today is the day of Salvation.

Jesus is the only Judge ultimately and there is no arguing with His Judgement.

We have earthly judges and earthly damnations with life sentences and death sentences, this is just a pale imitation of the Last strictest Judgement to come.

Jesus came to us first as a Saviour, but His final coming will be as Judge.
 

Oseas3

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He did not create people to be lost.
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against GOD? Shall the thing formed say to Him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if GOD, willing to shew His WRATH, and to make His power kn own, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of WRATH fitted to DESTRUCTION:

23 And that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, whichhe had afore prepared unto glory,

24 Even us (TRUE BELIEVERS), whom He hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As He saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people(Gentile peoples); and her beloved, which was not beloved.

26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living GOD.

27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a REMNANT->(144k) shall be saved:

28 For He will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they STUMBLED at that stumblingstone;

33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on Him shall not be ashamed.

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5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the Day of WRATH (Lord's Day), this Day arrived) and revelation of the righteous Judgment of GOD;->(the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, GOD Father, Father of my Lord JESUS Christ, Self-executable, undersdtand?)

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil->(1Corinthios 6:9-10, get ready), of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;


10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with GOD.

12 For as many as have sinned without law(the Gentiles) shall also PERISH without law: and as many as have sinned in the law(Jewish people-Israel) shall be Judged by the Law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before GOD, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.

16 In the Day->(this Day arrived, the Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium) when GOD shall Judge the secrets of men by JESUS Christ according to my gospel.

Get ready

 
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Mur

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No, God doesn't always get His way with man. We see that throughout Scripture with God pleading for Israel to turn from their sin.

It will be too late for man when he see's the full glory of God.

Nowhere in Scripture is it taught that man gets a second chance after death, that's why the Scripture says, Today is the day of Salvation.

Thank you, my brother. I have a different perspective.

Jesus will unite all things to himself and once that is accomplished he will turn everything over to God the Father.

24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For “God[c] has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. 28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.
 

Mur

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No, God doesn't always get His way with man. We see that throughout Scripture with God pleading for Israel to turn from their sin.

I see it differently. I believe God's plan is for us to be partially lost and blind to him and to live in this world and in a condition where we are bombarded with temptation to sin - which we regularly do. I believe we learn in this life that we must rely on and look to our Heavenly Father. However, God doesn't allow anyone to be lost from him forever. Ultimately, God gets everything that he wants as he stated in the aforementioned Isaiah verses that I shared on page 1. And here are more verses to confirm that nobody is lost forever from God. :)

Titus 2:11 esv
11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people

1 Corinthians 15:22 esv
22 For as in Adam all die, so so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

Lamentations 3:31 esv
31 For the Lord will not
cast off forever...
 

kyredneck

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I believe we learn in this life that we must rely on and look to our Heavenly Father.

I heard it said: “When all is said and done, and time is no more, every creature in the universe will know ‘there can be only One Will’.”
 
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kyredneck

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I now firmly believe that ALL will be in our Father's Kingdom.

I don’t think that includes the devil’s children:

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'Serpents! brood of vipers! how may ye escape from the judgment of the gehenna? Mt 23
 

Mur

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I don’t think that includes the devil’s children:

33​

'Serpents! brood of vipers! how may ye escape from the judgment of the gehenna? Mt 23

Them too brother!

1 Corinthians 15:25
25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.

Hebrews 10:12-13
12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet.
 
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