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I believe ALL who ever existed will be in God's Kingdom.

37818

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With universalism truth doesn't matter. Existence exists and doesn't need anything. 1 + 1 = 2 proves universalism is a lie.
 

Oseas3

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When I was a Catholic I too believed in forever punishment. Verses such as Matthew 25:46 terrified me. Fortunately, but the grace of God, he brought me out of that false system and I began reading the Bible and listening to countless people discussing God and the Bible. I now firmly believe that ALL will be in our Father's Kingdom. I want to share why I believe this.
Since you firmly believe that ALL will be in the Kingdom of GOD, then why did you abandon your native religion, Catholicism? You say "you
began reading the Bible and listening to countless people discussing God and the Bible", but what's the difference between your ownself, now after you left Catholicism and started reading the Bible?

Do you believe that there is GOD?; you do well: the devils also believe(James 2:19), therefore, what's the difference between you now after you left Catholicism and started reading the Bible?
Once yourself, among others like you, firmly believe that ALL will be in the Kingdom of GOD, what's the difference between you now after you started reading the Bible and left Catholicism, once being you compared to the demons themselves that believe GOD exists?

Oh yes, in fact, since a long time ago, the Gentile MAN Beast of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy, ->Revelation 13:1-9, and his adherents, as you too were before among them, through the Roman Catholic Church, the birthplace of the Antichrist, furthermore, the Gentile Man Beast of the sea being the main partner of the red dragon,-> Revelation 12:3 and 9 combined with Revelation 13:11, yes, for a long time they were already prophesying their own eternal perdition, because it was and is written in the Word of GOD, understand? The Word is GOD and is Truth, understand? It's no surprise because the Devil, from the beginning, has used GOD's Word, but only to deceive.—>Genesis 3:1-13, take a look, and get ready.

That said, what's the difference in you after you started reading the Bible and left Catholicism, once you be compared to the demons themselves that too believe since the beginning GOD exist? Genesis 3:1-5 and 4:3-8 combined with 1John 3:12, take a look.
I know most will disagree and I hope that we can nevertheless remain brothers in Christ. Here is the first verse among many that I will share to demonstrate that ALL will be in God's Kingdom!

Ephesians 1:9-11
English Standard Version
9 making known[a] to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in Christ, things in heaven and things on earth in him. 11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
Not only many may disagree with you, the problem is that it is the Word of GOD who disagree with you, the Word is GOD, understand? Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective. Matthew 16:13-17 and 21-23, take a look.

Be careful, or else be prepared or get ready. ->My Lord JESUSD said:-> Matthew 12:36-37:->37 Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the Day of Judgment. ->(This Day arrived, the seventh and last Day,the Lord's Day,or seventh and last millennium); 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.-

About the seventh and last millennium :
 

Oseas3

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According to this scripture, it is God's will that ALL THINGS be united to him. It was/is Jesus's mission to do so. Everything is worked out according to God's will.

There are many more scriptures to share but I wanted to start with this.
What does the Word of GOD say?

Matthew 15:8-14 and 19:

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in VAIN they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.->1Timothy 4:1-2 and 2 Tim.3:1-5.

10 And JESUS called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:

11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the MOUTH, this defileth a man.

12 Then came his disciples, and said unto Him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?

13 But He answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.->MATTHEW 13:30.

14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.


Matthew 10:27-28

27 ... what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
 

Oseas3

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If you notice, Christ was sent forth "as a plan for the fulness of time, to unite all things in Christ."

What was the plan? The plan is all that believed in Him would be delivered to the Father spotless, body, soul, and spirit.

That is God's plan of redemption at work, and all that He promised to those who love Him.

Christ said, narrow is the gate that leads to life and few there be that find it.

It's all of His plan in Christ that is united, and many exclude themselves by rejecting Christ and thereby rejecting the plan.
What does the Word of GOD say?

John 1:1-5 and 11-14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with GOD, and the Word was GOD.

2 The same was in the beginning with GOD.

3 All things were made by JESUS(the beginning-Genesis 1:1, in Whom was the Word-GOD); and without JESUS was not any thing made that was made.

4 In JESUS was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.->(this is the problem);


11 He came unto His own, and His own received Him not.

12 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of GOD, even to them that believe on His name:->Matthew 28:18 combined with ACTS 4:11-12

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of GOD.

14 And the Word was made flesh(in LITERAL fulfillment of Genesis 1:16-the fourth Day, as we ALL know, this wonderful event was around 4000 years after Adam or 2000 years ago-John 5:17), and He dwelt among us -the Greater Light ->, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and Truth. ->John 12:44-46-> 44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
45 And he that seeth Me seeth Him that sent Me. (Matthew 11:27, take a look)
46 I am come a Light into the world(the Greater Light-Genesis 1:16), that whosoever believeth on Me should not abide in darkness.
 

Oseas3

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This is also what Calvin ignored, though it was there for him to see.

God predestined man to a plan to be conformed into the image of Christ. His redemptive plan.

God did not predestine the individual of His choosing for salvation, that is pagan!
GOD said: Genesis 1:26 -> And GOD said, Let us make man in OUR image (GOD Father and JESUS), after our likeness: -> But JESUS was not known at that time or around 6,000 years ago; Genesis 1:26 only happened or JESUS was known only 4,000 years after Adam, or 2,000 years ago. ->JESUS said:

That said, it was still the fourth Day:-> JESUS said: -> My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.-> That said, now we are exactly at the turn from the sixth to the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium. Genesis 1:31->And GOD saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.-> Then only now, even now, from now on, at the turn from the sixth to the seventh and last Day,GOD will make MAN in His image by the Lord JESUS Christ His EXPRESSED IMAGE(Hebrews 1:3).->And 1Corinthians 15:45-49 and 51-55 say:
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy;
the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

That said, only from now on will be fulfilled LITERALLY Genesis 1:26-27, as follow:
26 GOD said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
27 So GOD created man in His own image, in the image of GOD created he Him(by JESUS); male and female created He them.


Philippians 3:20-21:

20 For our conversation is in heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-10 and so on); from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall CHANGE our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body(Genesis 1:26-27), according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself.-> Matthew 28:18, take a look.

Daniel 12:1-3 combined with 1Thessalonians 4:15-18:-> 15 For this we say unto you by the Word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel(MICHAEL), and with the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds(in the third heaven that will be established from now on->2Corinthians 12:2-4, take a look, the FIRST and SECOND heavens will be burned with fire for everlasting time), to meet the Lord in the air (in the third heaven that will be established from now on): and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Revelation 4:1 -> After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on): and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
 

Charlie24

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GOD said: Genesis 1:26 -> And GOD said, Let us make man in OUR image (GOD Father and JESUS), after our likeness: -> But JESUS was not known at that time or around 6,000 years ago; Genesis 1:26 only happened or JESUS was known only 4,000 years after Adam, or 2,000 years ago. ->JESUS said:

That said, it was still the fourth Day:-> JESUS said: -> My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.-> That said, now we are exactly at the turn from the sixth to the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium. Genesis 1:31->And GOD saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.-> Then only now, even now, from now on, at the turn from the sixth to the seventh and last Day,GOD will make MAN in His image by the Lord JESUS Christ His EXPRESSED IMAGE(Hebrews 1:3).->And 1Corinthians 15:45-49 and 51-55 say:
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy;
the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

That said, only from now on will be fulfilled LITERALLY Genesis 1:26-27, as follow:
26 GOD said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
27 So GOD created man in His own image, in the image of GOD created he Him(by JESUS); male and female created He them.


Philippians 3:20-21:

20 For our conversation is in heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-10 and so on); from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall CHANGE our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body(Genesis 1:26-27), according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself.-> Matthew 28:18, take a look.

Daniel 12:1-3 combined with 1Thessalonians 4:15-18:-> 15 For this we say unto you by the Word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel(MICHAEL), and with the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds(in the third heaven that will be established from now on->2Corinthians 12:2-4, take a look, the FIRST and SECOND heavens will be burned with fire for everlasting time), to meet the Lord in the air (in the third heaven that will be established from now on): and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Revelation 4:1 -> After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on): and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

I have no idea what you're talking about.
 

Charlie24

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Then you 'BETTER GET READY!', LOL.
OSEAS3 just keeps spewing SDA demonic vomit.

I'm always ready, I just need to understand what I'm ready for.

1 Peter 3:15

"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"
 

Mur

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With universalism truth doesn't matter. Existence exists and doesn't need anything. 1 + 1 = 2 proves universalism is a lie.

One must ignore a plethora of scripture to believe that Jesus FAILS to unite all things as stated in Ephesians 1:9-11.
 

Walter

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Has he said that he's a SDA member?

Do a little digging. He is a part of fringe group. The mainline SDA doesn't claim them. We had a fringe group of the SDA in my area that put up a billboard on I-5 showing a picture of the pope with the words:: 'This man is the Antichrist' and then identified as 'The Seventh Day Adventist Church'. A phone number and website were included.

The local SDA apologized for the sign and after legal action it was taken down and the fringe group disappeared from our area.

If pushed, OSEAS3 would probably deny being SDA --although never has- but his posts are firmly rooted in extreme SDA doctrines and anti-Catholic bigotry.
 
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Oseas3

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I have no idea what you're talking about.
I quoted Genesis 1:26,
and Genesis 1:31,
and Hebrews 1:3,
and 1Corinthians 15:45-49 and 51-55,
and Philippians 3:20-21,
and Ephesians 1:3-10 and so on);
and Genesis 1:26-27),
and Matthew 28:18,
and Daniel 12:1-3 combined with 1Thessalonians 4:15-18,
and 2Corinthians 12:2-4, take a look,
and Revelation 4:1,
nd Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on:

Scriptures explain Scriptures.´> The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, GOD Father, Father of the Lord JESUS Christ, Self-Executing, Self-Executable, understand? -John 1:1 & 14 combined with Matthew 1:20-21.

What does the Word of GOD say? -> ...ye need not that any man teach you->1John 2:27 combined with 1Corinthians 2:4-13:

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which GOD hath prepared for them that love Him.
10 But GOD hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of GOD.
7 But we speak the wisdom of GOD in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which GOD ordained before the world unto our glory:->(Romans 8:13-30, take a look).
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Spirit teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of GOD.
14 But the NATURAL man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of GOD: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Matthew 25:29
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
 

Oseas3

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Then you 'BETTER GET READY!', LOL.
OSEAS3 just keeps spewing SDA demonic vomit.
What does the Word of GOD that was quoted in the message posted have with the SDA demonic vomit?

My Lord JESUS left very very clear, saying: -> But the fearful(the COWARDS), and ALL LIARS, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and IDOLATERS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death - Revelation 21:8.
 

Charlie24

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I quoted Genesis 1:26,
and Genesis 1:31,
and Hebrews 1:3,
and 1Corinthians 15:45-49 and 51-55,
and Philippians 3:20-21,
and Ephesians 1:3-10 and so on);
and Genesis 1:26-27),
and Matthew 28:18,
and Daniel 12:1-3 combined with 1Thessalonians 4:15-18,
and 2Corinthians 12:2-4, take a look,
and Revelation 4:1,
nd Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on:

Scriptures explain Scriptures.´> The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, GOD Father, Father of the Lord JESUS Christ, Self-Executing, Self-Executable, understand? -John 1:1 & 14 combined with Matthew 1:20-21.

What does the Word of GOD say? -> ...ye need not that any man teach you->1John 2:27 combined with 1Corinthians 2:4-13:

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which GOD hath prepared for them that love Him.
10 But GOD hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of GOD.
7 But we speak the wisdom of GOD in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which GOD ordained before the world unto our glory:->(Romans 8:13-30, take a look).
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Spirit teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of GOD.
14 But the NATURAL man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of GOD: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Matthew 25:29
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

You originally responded to my post concerning predestination.

I still don't know what you're talking about here!

Explain yourself and let me in on what this is.
 

Oseas3

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Has he said that he's a SDA member?
No, Oseas never was, but my Lord JESUS left very very clear, saying : Matthew 15:18-19 -> 19 For out of the heart proceed EVIL thoughts, FALSE WITNESS, BLASPHEMIES, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts: and they defile the man. For me his false testimony is a great joy, understand? As my Lord said -> Matthew 5:11-> Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of EVIL against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven(heaven? Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on): for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Revelation 22:15-17:
15 For without are dogs(dogs?, Isaiah 56:10-11 combined with Philippians 3:2, take a look)
and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and WHOSOEVER LOVETH AND MAKETH A LIE. ->(These are LOST for ever, from now on->Revelation 21:8->Has eternal punishment begun? Will be? -> Has eternal punishment begun? Will be?

16 I JESUS have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
 

Oseas3

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Do a little digging. He is a part of fringe group. The mainline SDA doesn't claim them. We had a fringe group of the SDA in my area that put up a billboard on I-5 showing a picture of the pope with the words:: 'This man is the Antichrist' and then identified as 'The Seventh Day Adventist Church'. A phone number and website were included.

The local SDA apologized for the sign and after legal action it was taken down and the fringe group disappeared from our area.

If pushed, OSEAS3 would probably deny being SDA --although never has- but his posts are firmly rooted in extreme SDA doctrines and anti-Catholic bigotry.
I quoted Genesis 1:26,
and Genesis 1:31,
and Hebrews 1:3,
and 1Corinthians 15:45-49 and 51-55,
and Philippians 3:20-21,
and Ephesians 1:3-10 and so on);
and Genesis 1:26-27),
and Matthew 28:18,
and Daniel 12:1-3 combined with 1Thessalonians 4:15-18,
and 2Corinthians 12:2-4, take a look,
and Revelation 4:1,
nd Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on:

Scriptures explain Scriptures. The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, GOD Father, Father of the Lord JESUS Christ, Self-Executing, Self-Executable, understand? ->John 1:1 & 14 combined with Matthew 1:20-21.

What does the Word of GOD say? -> ...ye need not that any man teach you-1John 2:27 combined with 1Corinthians 2:4-13:

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which GOD hath prepared for them that love Him.
10 But GOD hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of GOD.
7 But we speak the wisdom of GOD in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which GOD ordained before the world unto our glory:->(Romans 8:13-30, take a look).
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Spirit teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of GOD.
14 But the NATURAL man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of GOD: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Matthew 25:29-34 and 41&46:

29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. -> The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, Self-executing, Self-executable, understand?

30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

31 When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him->(Luke 20:35-36 combined with 1Corinthians 15:51 and 1Thessalonians 4:15-17 combined with 2Corinthians 3:18, take a look), then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory:

32 And before Him shall be gathered all NATIONS:->(Revelation 11:15-18, take a look) and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:


41 Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye CURSED, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his messengers: 46 These shall go away into everlasting punishment
: but the righteous into LIFE eternal.->(Matthew 25:6-12, it's it.)

Has eternal punishment begun? Will be?​

 
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Oseas3

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You originally responded to my post concerning predestination.

I still don't know what you're talking about here!

Explain yourself and let me in on what this is.
I responded according to the Word of GOD, I am not speaking anything of myself, what matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, understand? I work with the Word of GOD-Revelation 2:17. The Word is GOD, Father of my Lord JESUS Christ-Matthew 11:27, take a look.

I responded according to the Word of GOD, I am not speaking anything of myself, what matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, understand? I work with the Word of GOD-Revelation 2:17. The Word is GOD, Father of my Lord JESUS Christ-Matthew 11:27, take a look.

Revelation 16:13-15
15 - Behold, I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame->(Genesis 3:8-11, as an example).




 

th1bill

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When I was a Catholic I too believed in forever punishment. Verses such as Matthew 25:46 terrified me. Fortunately, but the grace of God, he brought me out of that false system and I began reading the Bible and listening to countless people discussing God and the Bible. I now firmly believe that ALL will be in our Father's Kingdom. I want to share why I believe this. I know most will disagree and I hope that we can nevertheless remain brothers in Christ. Here is the first verse among many that I will share to demonstrate that ALL will be in God's Kingdom!

Ephesians 1:9-11
English Standard Version
9 making known[a] to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in Christ, things in heaven and things on earth in him. 11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
There are very few, good, reasons to cut fellowship but the thing that strikes me in the face here is your not reckoning the Matthew passage with the passage you use for defining theology (false).
 
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