No, but I do not see a real need to have a real free will either in this matter....
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I Believe the Doctrine of Unconditional Election,
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Yeshua, Please define "a real free will".
Someone who has no interal force that causes one to make decisions. such as a sin nature, or anyone who can be moved upon by a greater external force, such as God did upopn Paul. Only God Himself has real and absolute free will.
Yeshua, you can reason with God, He wants us to do that:
Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Yes, God wants to reason with those are called by His own name!
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Do you refuse to understand? God's election is wholly of God and has two parts. Before time 1 Peter 1:1-2. And for us in time 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14. God elects His elect through the setting apart by His Holy Spirit.
The condition is stated throughout the New Testament. ". . . he that believes . . . shall be saved. . . ." It is belief in the truth then regeneration. Not regeneration then faith. The gospel call comes before one can hear. One must hear the truth in order to believe. One must believe (which is to be wholly without merit) prior to God regenerating the elect person in time. Anyone who thinks one's faith is a matter of merit does not understand the gospel of grace. (2 Corinthians 4:3-4; Matthew 7:21-23.) John 3:16, ". . . that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, . . ." That the elect believe is a condition wholly without merit on the part of His elect. Truth has to be heard in order to be believed. Once one truly undertands a truth is true, it cannot be denied. The God's elect who now believe now Know Him as Jesus prayed they should in order to have eternal life (John 17:3; 1 John 5:12; 2 Corinthians 13:5).
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No, I do understand. And am trying to explain it to you.
Regeneration, faith, and repentance happen simultaneously.
Is God unable to reason with any others?
Which was Cain?
He reasoned with Cain
Genesis 4
6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
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Do you not agree the election is wholly unmerited on the part of the elect (Ephesians 1:4)?
". . . But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. . . ." -- Romans 4:5.
Do you deny faith in God's Christ is a condition in order to be saved (Acts 16:31)?
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Sanctification precedes the repentance which precedes the belief which is in order to be saved. Yes, it can happen in a very short order.
It appears you are conflating regeneration and salvation.
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From your point of view.
Regeneration is when one is born from God (Mark 10:15; John 3:3; 1 John 1:5).
Yes, we all know that.
All others are at war against Him!
regeneration proceeds faith, but flip side of same coin, as it appears to us to be at same time!
Yet He is willing to reason with them as with Cain?
Did Cain accept the counsel of the Lord though?
No, That is not my point. The point is - is that He reasoned with Him.
Jesus reasoned with Judas though, and that got Judas what?
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